Date   

Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

mweetman@...
 

Thanks for all the comments.
I'm in a professional Rock band, & we resume touring in mid Jan. I'm going to use it live to reduce the cabling - which is why I designed it in the first place (we don't have roadies!).
Once it's been on the road for a few weeks, I'll know it's solid enough to distribute.

Right now, you need to:-
1. Optionally cut a 15mm hole in the FCB to mount a USB type B socket. You could more simply have a flying USB lead from the USB if you don't want to add the hole.
2. Replace the 7805 power regulator with a more efficient version. This is needed for long USB cables.
3. Add the new circuit via velcro strips
4. Solder a single wire to the FCB
5. Remove the MIDI connector & replace it with another from my circuit.

I have been trying to simplify the conversion, but right now the above is the most reliable (even with long cables).
I'll continue testing.

If anyone feels comfortable to do the above, I can mail a kit out with more detailed instructions & a video.

Martin


Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

Bruce Collins
 

Same here - one cable would b awesome

Sent from my cell phone 

On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Eric Dick dick.eric@... [fcb1010] <fcb1010@...> wrote:

 

Id buy it,  but I'm in Niagara Falls, Canada. 

I'm desperate for a good one cable solution. 

--
eric

On Dec 27, 2016, at 6:38 AM, mweetman@... [fcb1010] <fcb1010@...> wrote:

 

OK, I'll come clean. I have 2 prototypes working using Arduino Pro Micros & a step up convertor.

The biggest issue was getting the supply clean enough for the Expression pedals. The FCB1010 consumes around 200mA, so USB powering isn't an issue.
Another problem was the size of the System Exclusive messages, which are larger than the RAM of the Arduino!
Anyway, I have solved these issues, & it works just the same as with MIDI, but with just USB connected (NO mains). My units are all Uno conversions, but it should work with a factory unit as it simply converts USB MIDI to conventional MIDI to the existing FCB circuitry.

I would like to ask if anyone would help me with testing?

The conversion is quite simple, & can easily be reversed. A hole needs to be cut in the FCB for the USB socket.
I'm based in the UK, so would like someone local to try it out.
Anyone interested?????
I'll convert your FCB & ship it back to you free of charge. If you don't like it, it can be switched back.
After more testing, I may make the conversion commercially available.


Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

Ian Ockwell-smith
 

Does your conversion mean that you can only use midi out or USB  but not both? Is the USB for programming or an out for controlling devices? I would be interested if it suits my needs.
 
I have an old Nobels MF2 foot controller that am hoping to gut and use a teensy to run it. Any tips on the programming would be handy.

Cheers

ian


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: "mweetman@... [fcb1010]" <fcb1010@...>
Date: 28/12/2016 14:50 (GMT+00:00)
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

 

Thanks. I'll keep you informed on progress.


Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

Eric D
 

Id buy it,  but I'm in Niagara Falls, Canada. 

I'm desperate for a good one cable solution. 

--
eric

On Dec 27, 2016, at 6:38 AM, mweetman@... [fcb1010] <fcb1010@...> wrote:

 

OK, I'll come clean. I have 2 prototypes working using Arduino Pro Micros & a step up convertor.

The biggest issue was getting the supply clean enough for the Expression pedals. The FCB1010 consumes around 200mA, so USB powering isn't an issue.
Another problem was the size of the System Exclusive messages, which are larger than the RAM of the Arduino!
Anyway, I have solved these issues, & it works just the same as with MIDI, but with just USB connected (NO mains). My units are all Uno conversions, but it should work with a factory unit as it simply converts USB MIDI to conventional MIDI to the existing FCB circuitry.

I would like to ask if anyone would help me with testing?

The conversion is quite simple, & can easily be reversed. A hole needs to be cut in the FCB for the USB socket.
I'm based in the UK, so would like someone local to try it out.
Anyone interested?????
I'll convert your FCB & ship it back to you free of charge. If you don't like it, it can be switched back.
After more testing, I may make the conversion commercially available.


Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

mweetman@...
 

Thanks. I'll keep you informed on progress.


Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

Steven Hirsch
 

On Tue, 27 Dec 2016, mweetman@broadcom.com [fcb1010] wrote:


OK, I'll come clean. I have 2 prototypes working using Arduino Pro
Micros & a step up convertor.

Sounds great! But, I'm more interested in a single-cable mod at the
moment since I need 5-pin MIDI. The kits are showing as out-of-stock on
the Uno web site and I cannot even find a price for them.


Would rather buy one than roll my own.






--


Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

FishOOW
 

I am SO interested but I'm in the US. I am certainly inspired by your instigation and will likely follow through before April. Cheers and hope this works out for you.


Re: Pitch bend CC only in Ableton

chrisw_63
 

Mine has the UnO chip, and it works well, but it occasionally sends sporadic pitch change messages.  I've had to disable PC messages in all my synth plugins to keep them from changing key when I play live.  Its a real PITA... I'll get MIDI-OX to cull them from the pedal, but that means not having that functionality when I need it.

If anyone else the same issue, especially if you have the solution, please let us know.


Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

mweetman@...
 

OK, I'll come clean. I have 2 prototypes working using Arduino Pro Micros & a step up convertor.

The biggest issue was getting the supply clean enough for the Expression pedals. The FCB1010 consumes around 200mA, so USB powering isn't an issue.
Another problem was the size of the System Exclusive messages, which are larger than the RAM of the Arduino!
Anyway, I have solved these issues, & it works just the same as with MIDI, but with just USB connected (NO mains). My units are all Uno conversions, but it should work with a factory unit as it simply converts USB MIDI to conventional MIDI to the existing FCB circuitry.

I would like to ask if anyone would help me with testing?

The conversion is quite simple, & can easily be reversed. A hole needs to be cut in the FCB for the USB socket.
I'm based in the UK, so would like someone local to try it out.
Anyone interested?????
I'll convert your FCB & ship it back to you free of charge. If you don't like it, it can be switched back.
After more testing, I may make the conversion commercially available.


FCB1010 to control Roland BK-7M backing module

tdnkqai4l5pju4b2ndfstyiu7yqswsj4yojgxye6@...
 

I want to use the FCB1010 to select Intro, Ending and Variations 1-4 on the BK7M. I have downloaded both FCB1010 Control Center (FCB-UNO MIDI foot Controller) and the FCB1010 PC Editor. The control center won't pick up the midi connections but the Editor does, but it can't recognise the firmware version.

Can anyone give step step guide on how to set up the FCB1010 for this?

(The obsolete FC7 pedal has a dedicated 8 pin DIN socket on the BK7M, otherwise switching can be done with a 1/4 jack pedal). Someone already suggested this might not be possible, but I have seen a YouTube clip with this exact set up.


Re: FCB1010 Problem

munkustru@...
 

>Broken RAM Chip

Well, at least its a nice direction to look at.
I'll try to replace chip. I guess it might have some defect that lead to this way. Not completely broken but damaged in some sort. But if it will work the same with replaced chip - should think about replacing RAM chip. If thats possible :D


Re: FCB1010 Problem

ossandust
 

> If you have any ideas different from 'chip is broken'

how about my earlier reply through email, suggesting that you probably have defective hardware ? As I mentioned, a broken firmware chip will cause the FCB1010 to completely stop working, not booting at all. A broken RAM chip for instance can cause exactly what you describe -  turning values 0-1-2-3 into 4-5-6-7, or 8-9-10-11, or vice versa... 


Re: FCB1010 Problem

EJ SHELDON
 

No, I WON'T try to program the FCB using either MtnSystems OR the button method. Been there, done that, not wasting any more of my life on that. I had the same sort of inexplicable problems as you when I started, until I got the proper editor. IT WORKS! BELIEVE IT! 


Get the UNO_ControlCenter Editor ($20) and I'll fix your problem for you.


If you looked at the screenshots I sent you, you can clearly see that my FCB works the way you want yours to work. I've been doing this for several years. I'm ABSOLUTELY SURE that you are right, USING THE MTNSYSTEMS EDITOR OR THE BIG BUTTONS. If your problem persists after a factory reset, take my advice, get the editor THAT WORKS WITH THE DEVICE (written by the guy who CREATED the UNO chip) and we'll have you up and running in no time. 




From: fcb1010@... on behalf of munkustru@... [fcb1010]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:23 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Re: FCB1010 Problem
 
 

EJ SHELDON

.



I saw your reply. But im absolutely sure thats not depends on software. At least because my first attempt was to program it manualy (yeah, pressing this big buttons for a long time). Then i used FCB1010 Manager from http://mountainutilities.eu/fcb1010.
mountainutilities.eu
The Behringer FCB1010 is a MIDI foot controller.FCB1010 Manager is an editor for the FCB1010. Its main features are:


Just try to program your FCB (no matter how you will do that) this way:

Bank 00.

1st button - Note 1

2nd - Note 2

3rd - Note 3

4th - Note 4

5th - Note 5

6th - Note 6

7th - Note 7

8th - Note 8

9th - Note 9

10th - Note 10.


And im absolutely sure that if u press button 3 after u made this setup, your FCB will send Note 3. It Will not send you Note 7. But my FCB send me note 7 if i press button 3 (which is set to send note 3, not 7). And if i change Button 3, Button 7 will also change to note 3, not dependin on my wish to be a note 7.

Also, Buttons 9 and 10 reset his program after i turn off FCB. And that is absolutely not a problem of PC editor.


Anyway, my e-mail is munkustru@.... If you have any ideas different from 'chip is broken' - glad to hear it asap. 


Re: FCB1010 Problem

munkustru@...
 

EJ SHELDON

.



I saw your reply. But im absolutely sure thats not depends on software. At least because my first attempt was to program it manualy (yeah, pressing this big buttons for a long time). Then i used FCB1010 Manager from http://mountainutilities.eu/fcb1010.

Just try to program your FCB (no matter how you will do that) this way:

Bank 00.

1st button - Note 1

2nd - Note 2

3rd - Note 3

4th - Note 4

5th - Note 5

6th - Note 6

7th - Note 7

8th - Note 8

9th - Note 9

10th - Note 10.


And im absolutely sure that if u press button 3 after u made this setup, your FCB will send Note 3. It Will not send you Note 7. But my FCB send me note 7 if i press button 3 (which is set to send note 3, not 7). And if i change Button 3, Button 7 will also change to note 3, not dependin on my wish to be a note 7.

Also, Buttons 9 and 10 reset his program after i turn off FCB. And that is absolutely not a problem of PC editor.


Anyway, my e-mail is munkustru@.... If you have any ideas different from 'chip is broken' - glad to hear it asap. 


Re: FCB1010 Problem [2 Attachments]

EJ SHELDON
 

I just went to the Group page and apparently the in-line images I sent aren't displaying. If you send me your real email that might help.




From: fcb1010@... on behalf of munkustru@... [fcb1010]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:50 AM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] FCB1010 Problem [2 Attachments]
 
 
[Attachment(s) from munkustru@... [fcb1010] included below]

Hello. 

First of all, english is not my native language, so I apologise for some mistakes that might happend.

I have a problem with my FCB1010. And I hope you will lead me to the right way for the solution.
I tried to program it, but something buggy happening.
I send a test SYSEX just to check out. It looks like a sequence of 1-10 numbers in different parameters. You can see it on 'before' image.
Then i recieved the same (no changes from me) SYSEX back to my PC.
And thats what happend - you can see it on 'After' image.
Thats doesnt really depends on the way how i program it: manually by using 'edit mode' in FCB or just sending the SYSEX from PC. Tried this ways already. 
If i manually trying to change value for 1-4 buttons, its okay. When im trying to change 5-8 - it it also rewriting commands (midi notes in my example) that is on 1-4 buttons. First of all i thought there is some options that just duplicate values from upper row to down row, but i aint find anything like that in manual.
Looks like its some kind of 'routing' problem in chip. Sometimes is duplicates them from one slot to another (for example, '5-6-7-8', '7-8-9-10' that we can see two times in a row). Sometimes moving it (data from bank 1 moves to 9 and 10 in bank 0). Sometimes erasing it (9 and 10 in 4th bank).

Is that a problem with the eprom chip? I guess so cuz FCB1010 is... well, 'simple' device (buttons, i\o, controller, wires). Firmware 2.5.




Re: FCB1010 Problem [2 Attachments]

EJ SHELDON
 

Looks like you re-sent the original question. Did you see my reply?




From: fcb1010@... on behalf of munkustru@... [fcb1010]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:50 AM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] FCB1010 Problem [2 Attachments]
 
 
[Attachment(s) from munkustru@... [fcb1010] included below]

Hello. 

First of all, english is not my native language, so I apologise for some mistakes that might happend.

I have a problem with my FCB1010. And I hope you will lead me to the right way for the solution.
I tried to program it, but something buggy happening.
I send a test SYSEX just to check out. It looks like a sequence of 1-10 numbers in different parameters. You can see it on 'before' image.
Then i recieved the same (no changes from me) SYSEX back to my PC.
And thats what happend - you can see it on 'After' image.
Thats doesnt really depends on the way how i program it: manually by using 'edit mode' in FCB or just sending the SYSEX from PC. Tried this ways already. 
If i manually trying to change value for 1-4 buttons, its okay. When im trying to change 5-8 - it it also rewriting commands (midi notes in my example) that is on 1-4 buttons. First of all i thought there is some options that just duplicate values from upper row to down row, but i aint find anything like that in manual.
Looks like its some kind of 'routing' problem in chip. Sometimes is duplicates them from one slot to another (for example, '5-6-7-8', '7-8-9-10' that we can see two times in a row). Sometimes moving it (data from bank 1 moves to 9 and 10 in bank 0). Sometimes erasing it (9 and 10 in 4th bank).

Is that a problem with the eprom chip? I guess so cuz FCB1010 is... well, 'simple' device (buttons, i\o, controller, wires). Firmware 2.5.




FCB1010 Problem

munkustru@...
 

Hello. 

First of all, english is not my native language, so I apologise for some mistakes that might happend.

I have a problem with my FCB1010. And I hope you will lead me to the right way for the solution.
I tried to program it, but something buggy happening.
I send a test SYSEX just to check out. It looks like a sequence of 1-10 numbers in different parameters. You can see it on 'before' image.
Then i recieved the same (no changes from me) SYSEX back to my PC.
And thats what happend - you can see it on 'After' image.
Thats doesnt really depends on the way how i program it: manually by using 'edit mode' in FCB or just sending the SYSEX from PC. Tried this ways already. 
If i manually trying to change value for 1-4 buttons, its okay. When im trying to change 5-8 - it it also rewriting commands (midi notes in my example) that is on 1-4 buttons. First of all i thought there is some options that just duplicate values from upper row to down row, but i aint find anything like that in manual.
Looks like its some kind of 'routing' problem in chip. Sometimes is duplicates them from one slot to another (for example, '5-6-7-8', '7-8-9-10' that we can see two times in a row). Sometimes moving it (data from bank 1 moves to 9 and 10 in bank 0). Sometimes erasing it (9 and 10 in 4th bank).

Is that a problem with the eprom chip? I guess so cuz FCB1010 is... well, 'simple' device (buttons, i\o, controller, wires). Firmware 2.5.




Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

chrisw_63
 

I am not aware of one, but I've been planning something similar, though a little extreme.

The current draw would be negligible if the LED's are sequenced - I have no idea if they are as-is.  My plan, should I ever get the time, would be to replace all the LED's with RGB versions (yes, I know I'd need to do custom wiring or a new PCB), replace the seven-segment LED display with an OLED display and the processor with a Teensy - an Arduino based microcontroller that is built for USB MIDI out of the box.

In any case, there are several MIDI to USB boxes out there.  Converting a Teensy or Arduino Nano (even smaller than the Teensy) to do the work for you shouldn't be very hard.  I think I'll try that first as a proof of concept and to get the MIDI code down for the bigger project.

Let me know if you have any ideas/suggestions, or if you hear of someone that's done it already.

Check out this video if you're interested in rolling your own: Version 2 Ableton Midi Pedal Foot Control Teensy Arduino with BPM feedback

 


Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

Jack Fenton
 

You might need to check what the current (power) demands are of the FCB-1010 first.


Re: FCB1010 USB Conversion

FishOOW
 

Wow! Great idea!! Don't know why I didn't think of that.
-My first place to start would be Parts Express: the #1 source for audio, video & speaker building components

 

Parts list would be something like.

-USB chipset

-voltage converter


that may be it...


I'll check it out later. That would be awesome!

 

2141 - 2160 of 29269