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Re: Roland BK7M

Ian Ockwell-smith
 

Ah ok. I had been loosely following your conversation. Whilst trying to find a lead I found my old MMC Roland cable. For a mo I thought I'd solved the problem........and the question of the universe and everything.

I'll get my coat........

Ian



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From: "EJ SHELDON bluesrock13@... [fcb1010]" <fcb1010@...>
Date: 13/01/2019 23:37 (GMT+00:00)
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: RE: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

No clue. That’s what we’re trying to establish.

 

From: fcb1010@... <fcb1010@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 3:36 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: RE: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

 

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn but do MMC messages do what's required? I only say this as I have an FC200 that I'm sure I read somewhere can be made to send MMCs. Please ignore if not relevant.

 

Ian

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

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From: "EJ SHELDON bluesrock13@... [fcb1010]" <fcb1010@...>

Date: 13/01/2019 23:23 (GMT+00:00)

Subject: RE: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

 

OP has already dumped the BK7M, so this is really a moot point, but you never know when somebody else will want to do this. If you read the rest of this thread, you know that I searched in vain for Roland documentation on just exactly what the BK7M wants to see for it’s transport control commands, whether it’s some special Roland language, MMC or whatever. Buying BOME or any other intermediary device or SW is really a pointless waste of time and money without that info, so I’d be really interested if you can help us all out with that?

 

Thanks!

 

From: fcb1010@... <fcb1010@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:29 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

 

I would just get a BomeBox and load a a Bome MIDI Translator project file onto it to translate messages from the FCB1010 to whatever messages the BK-7M needs. I'm sure Florian Bomers would make you a deal on this type of package if you just use the Contact Me link on the web site.

 

Or you could use a MIDI Solutions Event Processor to do the translation.

 

 

 


Re: Roland BK7M

EJ SHELDON
 

No clue. That’s what we’re trying to establish.

 

From: fcb1010@... <fcb1010@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 3:36 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: RE: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

 

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn but do MMC messages do what's required? I only say this as I have an FC200 that I'm sure I read somewhere can be made to send MMCs. Please ignore if not relevant.

 

Ian

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: "EJ SHELDON bluesrock13@... [fcb1010]" <fcb1010@...>

Date: 13/01/2019 23:23 (GMT+00:00)

Subject: RE: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

 

OP has already dumped the BK7M, so this is really a moot point, but you never know when somebody else will want to do this. If you read the rest of this thread, you know that I searched in vain for Roland documentation on just exactly what the BK7M wants to see for it’s transport control commands, whether it’s some special Roland language, MMC or whatever. Buying BOME or any other intermediary device or SW is really a pointless waste of time and money without that info, so I’d be really interested if you can help us all out with that?

 

Thanks!

 

From: fcb1010@... <fcb1010@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:29 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

 

I would just get a BomeBox and load a a Bome MIDI Translator project file onto it to translate messages from the FCB1010 to whatever messages the BK-7M needs. I'm sure Florian Bomers would make you a deal on this type of package if you just use the Contact Me link on the web site.

 

Or you could use a MIDI Solutions Event Processor to do the translation.

 

 

 


Re: Roland BK7M

EJ SHELDON
 

When I said that I searched in vain, did you think that the Roland site wasn’t my first stop? But maybe I just missed it. If you can find that info there or anywhere else, you’d really be doing everyone who might ever buy one of these devices a great service! Maybe even make a sale for BOME or MIDI Solutions.

 

From: fcb1010@... <fcb1010@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 3:31 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: RE: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

 

Most of the Roland MIDI documentation can be found on their support site. I've been able to find details for many of their products there. It is all indexed by product model. Right, if you don't have the device or documentation, no point it wasting your time to try and reverse engineer it.

 

 

 

Specifically, the BK7M info can be found at the link below:

 


Re: Roland BK7M

Ian Ockwell-smith
 

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn but do MMC messages do what's required? I only say this as I have an FC200 that I'm sure I read somewhere can be made to send MMCs. Please ignore if not relevant.

Ian



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: "EJ SHELDON bluesrock13@... [fcb1010]" <fcb1010@...>
Date: 13/01/2019 23:23 (GMT+00:00)
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: RE: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

OP has already dumped the BK7M, so this is really a moot point, but you never know when somebody else will want to do this. If you read the rest of this thread, you know that I searched in vain for Roland documentation on just exactly what the BK7M wants to see for it’s transport control commands, whether it’s some special Roland language, MMC or whatever. Buying BOME or any other intermediary device or SW is really a pointless waste of time and money without that info, so I’d be really interested if you can help us all out with that?

 

Thanks!

 

From: fcb1010@... <fcb1010@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:29 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

 

I would just get a BomeBox and load a a Bome MIDI Translator project file onto it to translate messages from the FCB1010 to whatever messages the BK-7M needs. I'm sure Florian Bomers would make you a deal on this type of package if you just use the Contact Me link on the web site.

 

Or you could use a MIDI Solutions Event Processor to do the translation.

 

 

 


Re: Roland BK7M

Jack Fenton
 

Most of the Roland MIDI documentation can be found on their support site. I've been able to find details for many of their products there. It is all indexed by product model. Right, if you don't have the device or documentation, no point it wasting your time to try and reverse engineer it.



Specifically, the BK7M info can be found at the link below:



Re: Roland BK7M

EJ SHELDON
 

OP has already dumped the BK7M, so this is really a moot point, but you never know when somebody else will want to do this. If you read the rest of this thread, you know that I searched in vain for Roland documentation on just exactly what the BK7M wants to see for it’s transport control commands, whether it’s some special Roland language, MMC or whatever. Buying BOME or any other intermediary device or SW is really a pointless waste of time and money without that info, so I’d be really interested if you can help us all out with that?

 

Thanks!

 

From: fcb1010@... <fcb1010@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:29 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Re: Roland BK7M

 

 

I would just get a BomeBox and load a a Bome MIDI Translator project file onto it to translate messages from the FCB1010 to whatever messages the BK-7M needs. I'm sure Florian Bomers would make you a deal on this type of package if you just use the Contact Me link on the web site.

 

Or you could use a MIDI Solutions Event Processor to do the translation.

 

 

 


Re: Roland BK7M

Jack Fenton
 

I would just get a BomeBox and load a a Bome MIDI Translator project file onto it to translate messages from the FCB1010 to whatever messages the BK-7M needs. I'm sure Florian Bomers would make you a deal on this type of package if you just use the Contact Me link on the web site.

Or you could use a MIDI Solutions Event Processor to do the translation.




Re: Roland BK7M

Rolf Westberg
 

A couple of years back, I considered exchanging my Roland FC7 for a for a FCB 1010.  The attached files are the results of that experiment.  The 1010 worked great for tone (patch) selection, calling performances, and some controller and division functions.  However, because the 1010 does not send mini SFX messages, in the Roland style, I still had to use momentary switches attached to the BK-7m for Start/Stop, tone change for UP1 to UP2, intro, ending, etc.

 

I now use an iPad with the ForScore software.  ForScore can send Program changes, Song Select (performance) and Hex Code(SFX) messages.  I control most everything from the iPad, but still use a couple of switches on a Boss FS-6 for Start/Stop and tone selection.  I wired up a custom cable for the FS-6 using a 8-pin Midi plug and a TRS jack.  Just connect any 2 of the wires to tip and ring and one to ground.  Since the BK-7M functions for the FC7 are programmable, just set them to what you want to control. 

 

I also replace the Midi cable between my instrument and the BK-7M with a MidiBeam wireless Transmitter-Receiver and replaced the audio cable from the BK-7M to my amp with a Boss WL-20L setup. But that is another story.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Rolf

 

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Re: Roland BK7M

Hws111 <hws111@...>
 

Got rid of it

 

From: fcb1010@... [mailto:fcb1010@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 3:10 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Roland BK7M

 

 

Hi

Has anyone used the FCB1010 to control the various features on a Roland BK7M and if so is there a data dump available?

Roland for reason only known to themselves have discontinued the FC7 foot controller which gave brilliant control over the BK7M

Thanks in advance


Re: Roland BK7M

grantcrawford22
 

Thanks. 
Sadly FC7s are as rare as rocking horse manure.
Back to the drawing board.
(Often wonder what the inventor of the drawing board went back till he got it right ;-)  )



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-------- Original message --------
From: "EJ SHELDON bluesrock13@... [fcb1010]" <fcb1010@...>
Date: 12/01/2019 10:49 pm (GMT+00:00)
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: RE: [fcb1010] Roland BK7M

 

I had a quick look through the documentation and couldn’t find the MIDI commands that would duplicate the FC7 functions. It’s probable that it sends either proprietary Roland codes or MMC (sysex). The FCB doesn’t send sysex, except as it’s used for configuration with an editor. It’s possible that there could be intermediary hardware or software solutions available, but your best bet, lacking any Roland documentation, is to look for a used FC7 on eBay.

 

From: fcb1010@... <fcb1010@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 12:10 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Roland BK7M

 

 

Hi

Has anyone used the FCB1010 to control the various features on a Roland BK7M and if so is there a data dump available?

Roland for reason only known to themselves have discontinued the FC7 foot controller which gave brilliant control over the BK7M

Thanks in advance


Re: Roland BK7M

EJ SHELDON
 

I had a quick look through the documentation and couldn’t find the MIDI commands that would duplicate the FC7 functions. It’s probable that it sends either proprietary Roland codes or MMC (sysex). The FCB doesn’t send sysex, except as it’s used for configuration with an editor. It’s possible that there could be intermediary hardware or software solutions available, but your best bet, lacking any Roland documentation, is to look for a used FC7 on eBay.

 

From: fcb1010@... <fcb1010@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 12:10 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Roland BK7M

 

 

Hi

Has anyone used the FCB1010 to control the various features on a Roland BK7M and if so is there a data dump available?

Roland for reason only known to themselves have discontinued the FC7 foot controller which gave brilliant control over the BK7M

Thanks in advance


Roland BK7M

fm7bfbyhpyemqnjhrqjg6jk6khxj5hyaca4nv7lc@...
 

Hi

Has anyone used the FCB1010 to control the various features on a Roland BK7M and if so is there a data dump available?

Roland for reason only known to themselves have discontinued the FC7 foot controller which gave brilliant control over the BK7M

Thanks in advance


Re: Damaged while upgrading to eurekaprom

George Hutton <george.hutton@...>
 

I have an FCB 1010 with the ureka eprom installed also the original eprom with it. Great condition. For sale 120.00 


On Jan 8, 2019 12:15 AM, "hus_bursa@... [fcb1010]" <fcb1010@...> wrote:
 

Thanks...



Re: Damaged while upgrading to eurekaprom

hus_bursa@...
 

Thanks...


Re: Damaged while upgrading to eurekaprom

EJ SHELDON
 

Ossandust is likely the foremost authority on this subject. While Behringer might be able to direct you to someone local who could perform the service, it could cost more than the price of a replacement. Should that be the case, and should you decide to replace it, keep the old one for parts. Should you decide to get it repaired, have them install the Eurekaprom for you while they're at it.

Good Luck!


Re: Damaged while upgrading to eurekaprom

hus_bursa@...
 

Hi again. Has anyone experienced this situation before? Some advice would be nice. Thanks...


Re: Control Center Compatibility

dtownsmr
 

Did you click on the MIDI plug icon in the upper left of the FCC window?




On Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 12:44 PM ridart@... [fcb1010] <fcb1010@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for your help.

MIDI cables are connected correctly - I am able to monitor data sent from the fcb1010.
Interface is a Behringer U-phoria UMC204HD (combined midi/a to d & d to a).

It has occurred to me that maybe, as I am using Control Center in demo mode (upload and download menu choices are greyed out), then there is no communication with the fcb1010.
All I’m able to do is ‘fiddle’ with the software to see what’s available.

I should also add that I’m not new to the dark arts of MIDI, it’s just the fcb1010 and it’s complcated, multi-switch implementation that is new to me. I was hoping that software editing would make it easier.


Re: Control Center Compatibility

paul ridout
 

Thanks for your help.

MIDI cables are connected correctly - I am able to monitor data sent from the fcb1010.
Interface is a Behringer U-phoria UMC204HD (combined midi/a to d & d to a).

It has occurred to me that maybe, as I am using Control Center in demo mode (upload and download menu choices are greyed out), then there is no communication with the fcb1010.
All I’m able to do is ‘fiddle’ with the software to see what’s available.

I should also add that I’m not new to the dark arts of MIDI, it’s just the fcb1010 and it’s complcated, multi-switch implementation that is new to me. I was hoping that software editing would make it easier.


Re: Control Center Compatibility

EJ SHELDON
 

I used to have Behringer BCR/BCF2000 controllers. While they passed normal MIDI messages from the FCB  fine (PC,CC,NOTE), they would not pass sysex messages.

You would hope that's not the case with a regular interface, but.....


Re: Control Center Compatibility

Jack Fenton
 

If I remember, the demo version has some functions that do not work hence are greyed out. With connecting, it should at least tell you if it recognizes there is a controller. I think only this function is enabled in the demo version to verify you have connectivity.

I think there is also an option to break up Sysex buffers into chunks which if I remember I turned on to make it work. 

If I don't see anything from anyone else in the next day, I'll load a copy on my Mac running Mojave and see if it works. I normally use Uno Control center on my Windows 10 PC and have not loaded the application onto my Mac.


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