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Connections of relays to switch outputs (Tip/Ring/Sleeve jacks)

Musical Applications
 

Hi there,

I just tried to figure out how the switch relays (let call them K1 and K2) are connected to the jacks labeled with Switch 1 and Switch 2.
So, this is what I found out:
- The relais K1 and K2 connect the relating tip (T) with the sleeve (S) of the Switch outputs if the relating relay is active.
- The contacts of Switch 2 have only a "mono" configuration: the ring R2 is always connected to the sleeve S2.
- The contacts of Switch 1 behave differently if the Switch 2 output is used or not:
a) If there is a plug inserted in the Switch 2 jack, K2 controls if the ring R1 is connected to the sleeve S1.
b) If there is no plug inserted in the in Switch 1 jack, the ring R1 is not connected to S1, independently of K1 and K2.
=> So, there must be some auxiliary contacs at Switch 2 which are closed if no plug is inserted.
- The contacts T1, R1, S1, T2, R2, S2 are not connected to the ground.

I did not check any wiring inside, I only used a continuity tester at the outside.
Can anybody confirm or correct my investigations? Does anybody have a schematic of this detail?

Cheers,
michaeL


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

Jack Fenton
 

Hi,
You should be able to set up Bome MIDI Translator Pro to route CC14 and CC15 only between the FCB1010 and Bome MIDI Translator and either swallow the messages for other devices or do other processing as necessary.  I would check the manuals to determine if anything else in your setup is using CC14 or CC15 and if so, find another pair of unused controllers to use.

I guess the question I have is that since FCB1010 has only 10 pedals (you cannot send messages with up and down pedal) you can send and there are 12 notes an octave, how do you handle the other 2.  What pedal press, sequences would you use to produce all of the combinations of major, minor, M7, m7, diminished etc? Would you be using bank switches to control this?  Just trying to wrap my head around it.  I've thought of doing something like this before but this is where I hit a roadblock (aside from the fact that the layout of the FCB1010 is not like a keyboard).


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

JM
 

Hi Jack

Yes, I know about that trial version and already had it. I was only concern about this controller messages interfering with another devices. Anyway, I rethink a little bit after having posted this message and I figured out that as soon as I set the controller messages to a MIDI channel that it is not been listened by the PSR-9000, then I guess this won't affect my setup. My keyboard has two midi ports (2 midi ins and 2 outs), so, I will use one of them for the messages coming from the FCB1010 and disable port 16, then send the "Note ON/OFF" events through another channel. This is possible and I have already done it.

I would like only to know how another people has solved this. Perhaps there is a simpler way than the one I'm thinking now.




On my case, I will use two controllers: #14 and #15 to be able to send the chords. I will use the full fingered mode of Yamaha since I also want to play the chords with my left hand too, so, single fingered is not enough for me and besides of that, this mode doesn't include all existing chords.

Controller 14 will be used to send status of the first 7 notes (C until F#), ie:
    |1|0|1|0|1|0|1| = 85 -> So, starting from right to left, we will have:
   
    bit 0 = C  = 1
    bit 1 = C# = 0
    bit 2 = D  = 1
    bit 3 = D# = 0
    bit 4 = E  = 1
    bit 5 = F  = 0
    bit 6 = F# = 1

which means that the notes: C, D, E, and F# must be sent. Controller 15 will be used to send the last 5 notes (G until B), ie:
    |0|0|1|0|0|0|1| = 17 -> So, starting from right to left, we will have:
   
    bit 7  = G  = 1
    bit 8  = G# = 0
    bit 9  = A  = 0
    bit 10 = A# = 0
    bit 11 = B  = 1
    bit 12 = 0
    bit 13 = 0
   
which means that notes: G and B must be sent. As you see, bits 12 and 13 will be always 0 (zero). I will use those last two bits to turn off all notes; I guess this is convenient in some cases.

So, at the end, I will send C, D, E, F#, G and B, which according to the manual of my keyboard is a CM7(#11) chord.

Best regards
Josef


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

Jack Fenton
 

Hi, as I understand it, you could set up Bome MIDI Translator to convert incoming CC's to outgoing notes. As long select the right MIDI devices for input and output, the CC's should not interfere. They have a free trial version if you want to give it a try before deciding on a purchase. The trial version times out every 20 minutes at which point needs to be restarted, but it should be easy to determine within a 20 minute period whether what you want will actually work.


FCB1010 as Bass pedal

JM
 
Edited

Hi

I have a PSR-9000 and my idea is to use the FCB1010 as Bass pedal. On the PSR-9000 I can setup finger mode to "Single Finger" on the PSR. In the easiest case, you need to send a note, which will produce a major chord. I tested this and got it working; however, with seventh chords you will have to send two keys: the root and its seventh. As far as I now, it is not possible to send two notes on the FCB1010 simultaneously.

By searching on the group messages, I found somebody suggesting the "Bome MIDI Translator" to pre-process the MIDI messages and send the required keys. For example: when receiving the note "G-1" you can then send "G-1, F-1" from the tanslator software, which represents the G7 chord. However, what would happen if you have both chords: G Major and G7 on the same score? This approach will obviously failed because you will be always sending the same key on G.

My idea is perhaps using an undefined controller, ie: Controler 03H, then using the values 0 until 127 and map them to chords. My main concern is if this will interfere with other devices or is really the controller 03H unused? I found this list:
https://www.midi.org/specifications-old/item/table-3-control-change-messages-data-bytes-2

and controller 03H appears with other controllers as undefined.

Is there perhaps any other way of doing this?

Best regards
Josef


Re: Auslesen von Daten aus dem FCB1010 mit dem Editor

EJ SHELDON
 

Leider ist Google Translate nicht perfekt, aber es geht los.
Nicht alle MIDI-Interfaces bestehen Sysex, was für die Verwendung mit einem Editor erforderlich ist.
Sie haben nicht angegeben, welches Interface Sie verwenden oder welchen Editor Sie verwenden. Diese Information wäre hilfreich. Wenn Sie eine der billigen Kabel- und Kapselschnittstellen verwenden, wird die DIN-Markierung OUT an den FCB IN und die Markierung IN an den FCB OUT gesendet.


Re: Auslesen von Daten aus dem FCB1010 mit dem Editor

Michael Whocares
 

Hi Johannes,

erstmal ein paar Fragen:
welchen Editor verwendest Du?
welches Midi-Interface?
welche Firmware? Hat Dein FCB1010 noch eine original Behringer-Firmware drin oder wurde sie schon mal ausgetauscht z.B. gegen eine UnO-Version (kann ich sehr empfehlen!)?

Diese billigen (3 - 15 Euro) Midi-Interfaces funktionieren in sehr vielen Fällen nicht ordentlich wenn's darum geht, Midi-Daten in Form von SysEx (= SystemExclusive)- Dateien zu übertragen. Diese billigen Interfaces besitzen nur wenig bis gar keinen internen Speicher, und daher kommen gesendete Daten sehr häufig korrupt, d. h. verstümmelt/unvollständig beim empfangenden Gerät an! Die von Jack Fenton genannten Interfaces kannst Du ohne Probleme verwenden, ich selbst habe (unter anderem) ein iConectivity mio, welches ich sehr häufig und ohne jegliche Probleme verwende.

Midi-Kabel richtig verbunden? Midi-In des Interfaces an Midi-Out des FCB, Midi-Out des Interfaces an Midi-In des FCB.

Beantworte bitte mal die Fragen, dann sehen wir weiter.

Gruß,
Michael


Re: Auslesen von Daten aus dem FCB1010 mit dem Editor

Jack Fenton
 

Attach IN on your Cable to OUT on your FCB1010 and visa versa.  If it is a cheap cable, it still may not work. What FCB 1010 editor are you using.  What Eprom chip version.  On some versions you need to set up your FCB1010 before sending data to your system/editor.

My recommendations:

1) Get a good MIDI to USB Interface cable. Roland UM1 or iConnectivity MIO are good choices.
2) Get Uno Firmware. It is much better than stock FCB 1010 firmware
3) Get Uno Control center editor (even if using Behringer Stock Firmware.

Doing all this, although requiring additional investment, will save you a lot of time and headaches in the long run.



Auslesen von Daten aus dem FCB1010 mit dem Editor

Johannes.Ziehms@...
 

Hallo Leute, ich versuche meinen FCB 1010 mit dem Editor zu programmieren. Leider fehlen mir als Midi-Neuling so einige Dinge. Ich habe also das Midikabel wie befohlen in In u. Out am FCB gesteckt und jetzt kommt die erste Frage: was stelle ich bei Midi ein? USB 2.0 bei  " In" u. "Out" ?   
Dann wollte ich in dieser Konfiguration die bereits Programmierten Presets aus dem FCB 1010 auslesen. Da bekomme ich die Anzeige das die Daten nicht empfangen wurden! Keine Ahnung was da nicht stimmt? Das Programmieren mit der Hand habe ich glücklicherweise  dank Youtube hinbekommen.
Meine nächste Frage wäre : wie schaffe ich es  ein Pedal ( "A" oder "B" ) so zu programmieren daß ich damit den Presetbefehl "Break" schalten kann. Das wäre vorerst alles. Schön wenn mir jemand helfen könnte, leider gibt es keine Deutsche Anleitung für den Editor FCB1010 !

Danke und Grüße in das Forum
 


Re: Fcb1010

Roger Gentile
 

I meant in which country... just check the pdf manual . Or connect it to  the pc editor and it will appear on the screen 👍

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Monday, 11 November 2019, 11:50pm +01:00 from Robbie Conti robbieconti@...:

I'm based in place called lossiemouth. How to I check what firmware is loaded.

Thanks for the mail

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On 11 Nov 2019, at 21:39, "Roger Gentile via Groups.Io" <libero.it@groups.io target=_blank>roger.gentile=libero.it@groups.io> wrote:

Robbie where are you located and what firmware is installed on the unit?
That info will help you sell quicker.

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Re: Fcb1010

EJ SHELDON
 

You can load one of the free editors - Mountain Utilities or Ed Dixon - and it'll identify the chip for you.


Re: Fcb1010

grantcrawford22
 

And a beautiful place it is too till the River Lossie bursts it's banks.
Probably better known for being the home of a Royal Air Force base.



-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Colwell <roger.colwell@...>
To: main <main@fcb1010.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 23:01
Subject: Re: [fcb1010] Fcb1010

As this group has an international membership, if anyone is left wondering where Lossiemouth is, it's in Scotland (UK).

To check the firmware you need to remove the bottom cover and look for the EPROM, as shown in the attachment I've added:

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FCB1010 Group Owner/Moderator


Re: Fcb1010

Roger Colwell
 
Edited

As this group has an international membership, if anyone is left wondering where Lossiemouth is, it's in Scotland (UK).

To check the firmware you need to remove the bottom cover and look for the EPROM, as shown in the attachment I've added:

--
Roger Colwell
FCB1010 Group Owner/Moderator


Re: Fcb1010

Robbie Conti <robbieconti@...>
 

I'm based in place called lossiemouth. How to I check what firmware is loaded.

Thanks for the mail

Sent from BlueMail

On 11 Nov 2019, at 21:39, "Roger Gentile via Groups.Io" <libero.it@groups.io target=_blank>roger.gentile=libero.it@groups.io> wrote:

Robbie where are you located and what firmware is installed on the unit?
That info will help you sell quicker.

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Re: Fcb1010

Roger Gentile
 

Robbie where are you located and what firmware is installed on the unit?
That info will help you sell quicker.

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Fcb1010

Robbie Conti <robbieconti@...>
 

Hi All I have one of these but only used it once. It is still boxed. I do not have a need for it anymore. So open to offers...it has not been modified in any way.


Using the FCB1010 with the PSR-9000

JM
 
Edited

Dear all

First of all, it is nice to see that the group got migrated to groups.io. It looks nice and at least the search function is much better than the one from Yahoo.

Anyway, although, I already posted this message here:
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,52701.0.html

I would like to try my luck here as well. Perhaps there is somebody here who already did this.

So, now to the point:

I have been trying to make the FCB1010 to select the Main A variation for hours, but I haven't succeed. This are something I have tried so far:

  • First, I connected the FCB1010 MIDI IN and OUT to the Midi B port of the PSR-9000
  • Then I pushed the MIDI button and choose: the "All Parts" template. I have tried others too, ie: MIDI Pedal1 and MIDI Pedal2
  • There is a section there called: "MFC10", so, I click on it, but it just doesn't seem to work with the FCB1010; it tells always to press the "FUNCTION" button, but this foot controller doesn't have have. No matter on which mode I have the FCB1010, I can't advanced more.
  • It seems that the PSR expects the footcontroller to be on channel 15 or 16, so, I tried both
  • I tried programming several note on the FCB1010, but no success. I have found several threads talking about this and it seems that note events is what you have to send

I would like to know if somebody has had success in programming it. For example: which messages do you have to send to start the rythm and how do you have to setup the PSR?

I have found a video, but it is for the Tyros. It is somehow different there. This keyboard doesn't tries to connect first with the footcontroler, so, you can easilly use the MFC10 section.

I event found a table with some messages here:
https://fr.audiofanzine.com/pedalier-midi/behringer/fcb1010-midi-foot-controller/forums/t.146650,fcb1010-et-psr-3000,p.2.html

Button | Function | Midi: Status | Data1 | Data2 | Chan | Note | Event | On / off
6 | Main A | 9F | 13 | 40 | 16 | G | 0 | Note On
| 8F | 13 | 40 | 16 | G | 0 | Note off

The previous sequence should activate the Main A. I tried setting the note messages to channel 15 and 16 (I tried both), then sending the note G (31), but it doesn't work.

According to this guide:
https://www.markusschneider.lima-city.de/TYROS%20und%20BEHRINGER%20FCB1010%20%20MIDI%20Footcontroller.pdf

According to the previous document, note: 14 (which according to the FCB1010 manual should be: D-1), should be the trigger of Main A.

So, as you see, different documents telling different things :-(

Thanks in advanced

Best regards
Josef


Re: Custom simple EPROM

Tom Atwood
 

Awesome thank you!


On Sat, Nov 9, 2019, 4:17 AM Ian Ockwell-smith via Groups.Io <ianockwellsmith=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Some time ago I found this site that may be of assistance.
https://mackatackblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/24/behringer-fcb1010-lcd-update/

Ian


Re: Custom simple EPROM

Ian Ockwell-smith
 

Some time ago I found this site that may be of assistance.
https://mackatackblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/24/behringer-fcb1010-lcd-update/

Ian


Re: Custom simple EPROM

chrisw_63
 

I'm working on that as well, though I'm probably going to go with an ESP32.  If you decide to go with Bluetooth MIDI, as you mentioned you will need to get the antenna out of the case.  I'm wondering if I can just hide it under the plastic display.  It's pretty open under there if you aren't using the stock LED indicators. 

I have the Feather M0, and it connects via Bluetooth to MIDI on my iPad with no problem using the test program that comes with Adafruit's Bluetooth support library.  I desperately wanted to program this with Python, and that is in the works, but not fully supported on the Bluetooth Feathers yet.  Which is why I'm thinking of moving to the ESP32.  Keep us updated.


On 11/6/2019 6:29 AM, James Jennett-Wheeler wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 09:43 PM, chrisw_63 wrote:
Adafruit Feather M0 Bluefruit LE
Thanks for this.

I have been rethinking recently and have thought it would be easier to pop an Arduino in instead... Bluetooth MIDI sounds like it might be a good idea too however the metal case might interfere with the signal?

Might grab a large arduino first for prototyping, and get a proper small board at a later date.

(Don't expect fast progress on this, lol, I'll be going slow :P)

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