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Re: Programming flowchart X-Air 18

networker1@...
 

Awesome!! Thanks!! I'll start playing the controller and see. I also just sent for a usb to MIDI cable to use it with an FCB1010 programming software I found through a vid in YT. I hope I can get it to work!! Thanks for taking the time!!!

Re: 88 msg + won't let me factory reset

ossandust
 

Re: 88 msg + won't let me factory reset

anna
 

Thank you again Chris for the detailed help!

I am seriously kicking myself, I got it from Reverb "used" except the person hadn't actually used it (bought it new a year ago and didn't need it), and I am friends with the person I bought it from, so I don't think I can get a refund (or I could, but I'd feel bad about it because they are a freelance musician, etc etc why did I impulse buy this) but luckily I have a few friends who make their own hardware, maybe I can bug them about helping with de-soldering / replacing the RAM chip, though I just did a quick search and am not sure how to get a new RAM chip? Should I try contacting Behringer even though I didn't get it new?

Thank you again!

Re: Fixed Flashing '88' problem!

anna
 

Thank you all for your help! 

Ossandust, it happens regardless of whether or not the MIDI cables are plugged in, so it looks like a defective RAM chip, ugh.

Chris, thanks for all the information on RAM vs the different ROMs! I saw your comment on my other thread as well (I was panicky haha) so I'll get back there, but unfortunately I got it used, so I think I'm going to have to ask one of my soldering friends to help... 

No worries, Michael, thanks for much for your help and best of luck with your fight against cancer!

Re: Guide To The FCB1010

Faith Banini <faithbanini@...>
 

Thanks for the clarification Roger. Thanks
Kind regards.
Faith

Re: Guide To The FCB1010

Roger Colwell
 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 07:41 AM, Faith Banini wrote:
Does that mean my current posts are not suitable for the platform?
No, I didn't mean they are unsuitable. I suggest that those types of article, which include links to reference material and documentation, are better posted in the Databases section instead of amongst hundreds of discussion topics in the Messages section. That's just my opinion, yours may be different and that's OK.
 
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Re: Guide To The FCB1010

Faith Banini <faithbanini@...>
 

Hi Rojer,
Does that mean my current posts are not suitable for the platform?

Re: Programming flowchart X-Air 18

chrisw_63
 

This is pretty straightforward.  Incidentally, I had one of these for almost a year, and it worked great, though we never used any of it's MIDI stuff.  It was our first digital mixer, and the church liked it so much they upgraded to the X32 Rack.

So, first you have to note that the Faders, Mutes, and Pans are A.) all on different MIDI channels, and B.) all controlled via CC values.  This requires some planning, because of the way the FCB sends MIDI.  It can technically send CC (Continuous Controller) messages on four different channels, but those channels are set up GLOBALLY - You cannot change them without reprogramming the FCB1010.  CNT 1 and CNT 2 can each have their own MIDI channel, as can each Expression pedal.

A little clarification if you aren't familiar with the FCB's MIDI setup.  If you are, go to the next paragraph.  Each Preset on the FCB can do ten things when it's pressed.  1-5: Send five PRG CHG messages. 6 and 7: Send two CC messages labelled CNT 1 and CNT 2.  8 and 9: Set up the two expression pedals (including their CC#, min value and max value), and lastly, 10: Send a Note message.

CNT 1 and CNT 2 can only send one value each.  If you set CNT1 to send CC# 31 with a value of '00', it will mute MainLR on the XR18.  However, if you set Both CNT1 and CNT2 to the same CC# with whatever values, instead of sending two CC messages with different values, it will TOGGLE, sending the CNT1 value the first time you press it, and the CNT2 value on the second press.  Perfect for a MUTE button.  So in GLOBAL setup, set CNT1 and CNT2 to both use MIDI channel 2.

The Expression pedals are what you want for the Fader group. so while you're still in GLOBAL setup, set EXP1 and EXP2 to use MIDI Channel 1.

To set a Preset to Toggle the Mute for a mixer channel, you set the value to '0' for mute, and '127' for unmute.  In the example from above, with CNT 1 set to CC#31 and value '00', if we also set CNT2 to CC# 31, but value 127, you now have a Mute Toggle.

Next, setting the Expression pedals.  The CC#s and values for the Expression pedals are set by a Preset. For example, in that same preset, set EXP 1 to CC# 0 (zero) and EXP2 to CC# 31 and set the minimum and maximum value to 00 and 127 for both.  Save it and exit. Try the expression pedals - they do Nothing!!!  Remember, you have to select a preset (preferably one you've programmed!) to get the expression pedals working.  So you hit the footswitch you just programmed.  Now try the pedals again, and you'll find the right expression pedal controls Master Volume (CC# 31), and the left controls the volume for channel 1 (CC# 00).  Hopefully... If not, try programming it again.

You can have the Preset set up the Expression pedals AND send a Mute on/off at the same time, but make sure you know what you're sending. For example, you could set up Preset 1 to mute Main LR and set up one of the expression pedals for Main LR Volume.  Just remember when you press it the first time, it will mute MainLR (if set up the way I did above), and then the Volume fader won't matter.  Well, it will matter - the fader will move, you just won't hear it until you unmute it by pressing the Preset again.

One oddity - what I called Min and Max for the Expression pedal values is actually a misnomer.  Those values are actually called "closed" (heel down) and "open" (toe down) by Behringer.  Why do you care?  Because the closed value doesn't have to be less than the open value!  e.g.: Set one pedal for main volume normally, and then set the other pedal to AuxLineIn volume (CC# 16), but reverse the values.  Yes, that is a legal setup.  Now if you fat foot it and move both pedals up (open) at the same time, you'll turn down the AuxLineIn at the same time you're turning UP the MainLR volume.  Crazy! :-)

That should be enough of an example to get you going.  Have fun with it.

Re: Which Prom is the best to use with Ableton and which mode of that Prom?

chrisw_63
 

UnO, with the UnO Control Center, without reservation.  It makes programming the FCB1010 a hundred times easier, AND you can turn off the annoying Tap Tempo function.  Worth every penny.

'Stomp' mode is the only 'mode' I know of (never used Eureka), and I don't use it.  I can't see my feet while sitting at the keyboard, so "das blinkenlights" don't help me at all.  If you like the indicator lights, and can see them while you play, or if you find a need for keeping one row of five foot switches doing only one thing while you use banks to change the other row, Stomp mode is for you.

Hope this helps.

Re: Guide To The FCB1010

Josef Albert Meile
 

Este es el manual en español:
https://media63.music-group.com/media/sys_master/hda/h8e/8850102091806.pdf

Y en Youtube también se encuentran algunos videos en español:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fcb1010+espa%C3%B1ol

Re: Guide To The FCB1010

Josef Albert Meile
 

Hola Raul

La página es un poco extensa y no creo que alguien la vaya a traducir. Tienes dos opciones:
  1. Instala el Chrome en español copia y pega los enlaces allí. El Chrome traduce las páginas automáticamente.
  2. Usa esta página: https://www.deepl.com/es/translator Me parece mucho mejor que el google translate para traducir.

Saludos
Josef

Re: 88 msg + won't let me factory reset

Roger Colwell
 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 07:03 PM, Raul Ramirez Ramirez wrote:
Por favor en español 
It is possible for you to make your own English to Spanish translations by using Google Translate:
https://translate.google.es/
Puede realizar sus propias traducciones del inglés al español utilizando Google Translate:
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Re: Which Prom is the best to use with Ableton and which mode of that Prom?

Roger Colwell
 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 07:03 PM, Raul Ramirez Ramirez wrote:
Por favor me pueden enviar la información en español.
It is possible for you to make your own English to Spanish translations by using Google Translate:
https://translate.google.es/
Puede realizar sus propias traducciones del inglés al español utilizando Google Translate:
https://translate.google.es/
 
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FCB1010 Group Owner/Moderator

Re: 88 msg + won't let me factory reset

Raul Ramirez Ramirez <raulramirezramirez@...>
 

Por favor en español 

Gracias


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El miércoles, 4 de marzo de 2020 10:28:19 a. m. GMT-5, chrisw_63 <chrisw_63@...> escribió:


This is most certainly NOT anything you did, unless you zapped it with a taser or hooked the MIDI jack up to mains power.  The factory reset is hard coded into the unit and should always work.  If you cannot factory reset, your FCB1010 is defective and you should get a replacement (if you bought it new) or a refund.  I have no doubt that whatever is wrong is an easy fix, but at the rates repair shops charge you're better off just returning the unit.

Should you have some reason you can't or don't want to return it, there are a couple things to try.  The first is getting a new PROM - the firmware chip.  My guess is it's something electronic that failed, so it's a long shot, but the UnO chip is only $20 or so.  Next if you have a friend or someone you trust that works in the electronics industry you can ask to take a look, give them a shot. Most repair shops will charge you well over half the price of a new FCB1010.  Unless you bought it for next to nothing, it's not worth it.

Re: Which Prom is the best to use with Ableton and which mode of that Prom?

Raul Ramirez Ramirez <raulramirezramirez@...>
 

Por favor me pueden enviar la información en español.

Gracias


Raúl Ramírez Ramírez
Gerente General
Ramírez Editores y Consultores S.A.C.
www.ramirezcontabilidad.com
www.linkedin.com/in/raulramirezramirez
www.facebook.com/ramirezcontabilidad
Tel 989 396 861
raulramirez@...


El miércoles, 4 de marzo de 2020 04:56:58 a. m. GMT-5, Michael McInerney <mickiemac@...> escribió:


I’m no expert. I use the factory everything and program in as I need. Seems to work for my needs which are layering multiple instruments and tracks for loops and film.

 

I’d be happy to know other’s ways too!

Michael

 

From: main@fcb1010.groups.io <main@fcb1010.groups.io> On Behalf Of stephenzhannah@...
Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2020 4:09 PM
To: main@fcb1010.groups.io
Subject: [fcb1010] Which Prom is the best to use with Ableton and which mode of that Prom?

 

Hello!

I'm hoping to use my FCB1010 primarily with Ableton as a midi controller to live loop. Between the factory/original Prom, Uno, and EurekaProm, which is the best? Also, which setting (IE - EurekaProm Programmable mode, original Prom with sending notes and not CCs, etc...) is best? 

In the original Prom, tap-tempo midi signals and other unintended midi signals keep getting sent - making Ableton programming and usage difficult. 

Has someone cracked the nut on this? If yes, could you send over the Sysex you're using?

Thanks so much, all!!! Happy to send more info if it'd be helpful.

 

Re: Guide To The FCB1010

Roger Colwell
 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 06:54 PM, Raul Ramirez Ramirez wrote:
Por favor me pueden colocar en español el mensaje
"Decidí cambiar el nombre de esa sección a Bases de datos> Enlaces y avisos, ya que parecía ser una solución que valía la pena y fácil, sin embargo, estoy abierto a sugerencias alternativas (de cualquier miembro) sobre dónde mejor publicar dichos consejos."

It is possible for you to make your own English to Spanish translations by using Google Translate:
https://translate.google.es/
Puede realizar sus propias traducciones del inglés al español utilizando Google Translate:
https://translate.google.es/
 
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FCB1010 Group Owner/Moderator

Re: Guide To The FCB1010

raulramirezramirez@...
 

Por favor me pueden colocar en español el mensaje

Gracias


Raúl Ramírez Ramírez
Gerente General
Ramírez Editores y Consultores S.A.C.
www.ramirezcontabilidad.com
www.linkedin.com/in/raulramirezramirez
www.facebook.com/ramirezcontabilidad
Tel 989 396 861
raulramirez@...


El miércoles, 4 de marzo de 2020 05:31:05 a. m. GMT-5, Roger Colwell <roger.colwell@...> escribió:


I decided to rename that section to Databases > Links & Advisories as it seemed to be a worthwhile and easy solution, however I'm open to alternative suggestions (from any members) regarding where best to publish such advice.
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Programming flowchart X-Air 18

networker1@...
 

Greetings...

I searched and found no posts related to this. I am totally new to MIDI and programming.
Does anybody has a programming flowchart for use with the X-Air 18? I am attaching the MIDI info for the mixer.

Thanks!!

Re: Fixed Flashing '88' problem!

Michael King
 

Correct Chris. I haven’t played with my 1010 in years. I think I misunderstood what the young lady was asking. Anyway...that’s what happens when you get old and fighting cancer. Thank you for reminding me of the difference. 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:29 AM chrisw_63 <chrisw_63@...> wrote:

Regarding Anna's question about EPROM vs. RAM, for general Info:
RAM stands for Random Access Memory.  It is typically 'volatile', meaning it loses all of it's information when you remove power from the chip.
ROM stands for Read Only Memory.  The original ROM chips were typically permanently programmed at the factory, could not be programmed by users, and were not erasable.
PROM is Programmable Read Only Memory.  User programmable with a "PROM Programmer" that uses a higher voltage (typically 12 v) to blow fuses that permanently program the memory chip.
EPROM is Erasable Programmable... you get the picture.  Also user programmable with a different programmer, these have a quartz window in the top so UV light can erase the chip and it can be reprogrammed.  It made PROM chips reusable, even though erasing them took up to 12 hours.  Many were designed to match the pinout of a PROM so they could be a drop-in replacement.
EEPROM is Electrically Erasable...  Sending the right signals to the pins of an EEPROM erases it so you can program it again.  Only takes a few seconds to erase.
In many cases, all of these are referred to as ROMs, and all but the plain ROM can be referred to as PROMs.  Most modern microprocessors have EEPROM built in, reducing the need for an external ROM chip of any kind.
The FCB1010 has One 256 KB EPROM that holds the Firmware, and one external 32 KB RAM chip, along with the 80C32 microprocessor that has it's own 256 bytes of RAM.

Re: Fixed Flashing '88' problem!

chrisw_63
 


Regarding Anna's question about EPROM vs. RAM, for general Info:
RAM stands for Random Access Memory.  It is typically 'volatile', meaning it loses all of it's information when you remove power from the chip.
ROM stands for Read Only Memory.  The original ROM chips were typically permanently programmed at the factory, could not be programmed by users, and were not erasable.
PROM is Programmable Read Only Memory.  User programmable with a "PROM Programmer" that uses a higher voltage (typically 12 v) to blow fuses that permanently program the memory chip.
EPROM is Erasable Programmable... you get the picture.  Also user programmable with a different programmer, these have a quartz window in the top so UV light can erase the chip and it can be reprogrammed.  It made PROM chips reusable, even though erasing them took up to 12 hours.  Many were designed to match the pinout of a PROM so they could be a drop-in replacement.
EEPROM is Electrically Erasable...  Sending the right signals to the pins of an EEPROM erases it so you can program it again.  Only takes a few seconds to erase.
In many cases, all of these are referred to as ROMs, and all but the plain ROM can be referred to as PROMs.  Most modern microprocessors have EEPROM built in, reducing the need for an external ROM chip of any kind.
The FCB1010 has One 256 KB EPROM that holds the Firmware, and one external 32 KB RAM chip, along with the 80C32 microprocessor that has it's own 256 bytes of RAM.