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Re: fcb1010 as bass pedals: sysex transfer fail and vst change handholding

chrisw_63
 

Ergh.  There is no note 128.  Note numbers go from zero to 127.  There's something wrong, and it's most likely your interface.  What are you using for MIDI to USB?

There are dedicated VST hosts, but all the ones I've seen are designed to host one at a time.  If you have Reaper, you really don't need anything else.  Set up your VSTs, and set the FCB1010 to toggle the Enable for the track.  It's not ideal, as disabling a track immediately cuts off sound, but it's easy to do.  A more 'robust' way to do it is to use a MIDI send track, and change which track it sends to using MIDI.  I'm not sure Reaper can do this, but I know I can make it work in Ableton Live.

You could just toggle Mute for each track, but remember that all of the tracks will still be 'running' as far as the computer is concerned.  If you have too much stuff going on, you'll overload it and start getting clicks and cutouts.


Re: New User: sysex send and some midi hand holding

EJ SHELDON
 

Congrats!


Re: New User: sysex send and some midi hand holding

EJ SHELDON
 

Be aware that the current UNO FW is not compatible with the Editor that you are using, which hasn't been supported for years. If you do get it, you'll want to get the UNO_ControlCenter Editor. It's worth every penny of the $22 it costs. That being the case, get the Editor now. It works with the stock chip and may solve the problem for you.


Re: New User: sysex send and some midi hand holding

The Pirate Kings
 

Update: I switched to a different c omputer and I saw the countdown after pressing down. The changes were saved. I think I'm in business thanks!


Re: New User: sysex send and some midi hand holding

The Pirate Kings
 

Ok thanks. I am doing this but the new settings aren't sticking and I wish I knew why. I'm thinking of ordering the uno firmware and perhaps that will eliminate the sysex issues.


Re: TinyBox

David Grosz
 

Nice video!  Now I wish I was sitting here waiting for the TinyBox to arrive instead of UnO2 chip!
Very nice work you have done, genius to be able to take an existing device and with a little box
totally make it into a product unlike anything else on the market.

On Friday, June 12, 2020, 1:38:41 AM PDT, ossandust <ossan.dust@...> wrote:


I created a small video yesterday about the TinyBox : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WidwqvbcKMs


TinyBox

ossandust
 

I created a small video yesterday about the TinyBox : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WidwqvbcKMs


Re: FCBUNO 2.0 and dropped Catalinos

ossandust
 

yes, another mistake of mine. It will be obvious by now that I'm not familiar with Mac... Apparently now the settings file is renamed to com.fcb1010-uno.FCBUnOControlCenter.plist 


Re: New User: sysex send and some midi hand holding

EJ SHELDON
 

Part 2

Reaper is just fine for your purposes. In order to make it happen you add a track with a VSTi (virtual instrument) with the input set to the MIDI interface that the FCB is attached to, set to MIDI Channel 1 (FCB default). If you're using more than one VSTi at a time you set each to the MIDI Channel that you want it to listen on (the MIDI Channel that the FCB is sending the message on). While you can send multiple PC (Program Change ) messages on separate channels, CC (Continuous Controller) and NOTE messages are set Globally. That means that while you can change presets on multiple VSTi's on multiple channels, CC and NOTE messages are always (in all FCB presets) sent on ONE channel. except for the Expression Pedals, whose channels can be set per FCB preset.

Using the UNO2 Chip you can get around these limitations, but it requires actual programming in a special editor.


Re: New User: sysex send and some midi hand holding

EJ SHELDON
 

In Global Settings you must enable "SYSEX RECEIVE" (pedal 7) before SENDing the sysex..
After you SEND the sysex you must hold the DOWN pedal till the display reads "00" to SAVE the sysex.


New User: sysex send and some midi hand holding

The Pirate Kings
 

I'm trying to use my fcb1010 (firmware 2.5.1E) as a bass pedal trigger and I need a little technical help and possibly some advice about the whole signal chain.
 
The technical problem I'm having: I'm using the FCB1010 PC Manager software  (version 2.99-2) but when I send and reboot the fcb1010 none of the changes have been applied. I confirmed I can receive data properly (patch 0 pedal 1 plays note 128 when I attach it to a synth in reaper). I try to change it to play note 48 in the software but after I shut the power off and on again it's still playing note 128. I can make "riverdance" changes and they do persist so I don't think it's a hardware problem, but kind of lost on how to debug this.
 
The more general question I have is about the best way to handle changing vst's etc associated with each patch. The documentation for midi can be a bit overwhelming. I'm not using a hardware synth, in my dream I'd like to set up a Raspberry Pi to host vst's but I can use a laptop for now, I've been using reaper so far.  So I'd like to be able to say "ok patch 0 is a square wave bass synth in reasynth, patch 1 is strings in the obxd vst" etc etc. Is using a full DAW the best way to accomplish this, or is there some minimal VST host software that would be better for this? How does one trigger these changes? I realize this isn't strictly an fcb1010 question but I'd appreciate suggestions on components I need for a minimal workflow like this. Thanks!


fcb1010 as bass pedals: sysex transfer fail and vst change handholding

The Pirate Kings
 

I'm trying to use my fcb1010 (firmware 2.5.1E) as a bass pedal trigger and I need a little technical help and possibly some advice about the whole signal chain.

The technical problem I'm having: I'm using the FCB1010 PC Manager software  (version 2.99-2) but when I send and reboot the fcb1010 none of the changes have been applied. I confirmed I can receive data properly (patch 0 pedal 1 plays note 128 when I attach it to a synth in reaper). I try to change it to play note 48 in the software but after I shut the power off and on again it's still playing note 128. Do I need to do something to lock in changes or do I maybe have a hardware problem?

The more general question I have is about the best way to handle changing vst's etc associated with each patch. The documentation for midi can be a bit overwhelming. I'm not using a hardware synth, in my dream I'd like to set up a Raspberry Pi to host vst's but I can use a laptop for now, I've been using reaper so far.  So I'd like to be able to say "ok patch 0 is a square wave bass synth in reasynth, patch 1 is strings in the obxd vst" etc etc. Is using a full DAW the best way to accomplish this, or is there some minimal VST host software that would be better for this? How does one trigger these changes?

Thanks!


Re: FCBUNO 2.0 and dropped Catalinos

SirPsycho
 

Found the .plist file and deleted it. Registration still fails. I also tried uninstalling and reinstalling after deleting the .plist and still failing. The .plist was not recreated, btw. I expected to see a new .plist show up in the same location as the old after running the program, did not appear. Also, did not show up after reinstall.


Re: Expression Pedal Output Sticks

chrisw_63
 

Wow, yeah.. that'd be touchy.  I'm used to setting filters on synths, while creating/playing sounds to add a little movement, and getting that filter frequency on target is the key to interesting vs. blah.  And just like your situation, it can be a vary narrow thing.

I'd definitely recommend the Uno chip, then, with it's much better resolution.   I have it, and I've used the FCB pedals for that filter I mentioned and didn't have any issues - never even noticed the delayed pickup - though your ear might be more discerning than mine.  I'm glad I never tried it with the stock chip, now.

If you think even the two MIDI value step might be too much, you'll probably have to go with something different.  You could go with a regular effects pedal board, though they can be expensive.  Some MIDI controllers have an analog effects pedal input that they convert to MIDI.  Or I just found this.. didn't even know they existed: https://beatbars.com/en/home.html   A full fledged MIDI expression pedal with both USB and 5-pin jacks.  Sadly, it costs as much as the FCB1010.


Re: Expression Pedal Output Sticks

Earth.Sky.Surf5@...
 

Thanks to all, hmm for some reason my earlier post tonight got clobbered, maybe needs admin to pass it. Any way, my power supply is good, the graduated grey plastic strip is good for alignment and seating.

Ossandust,
Very encouraging news. I just tested my unit again according to your instructions:
 * At the middle, with midi expression pedal values about 64, after at rest, will only respond after the pedal has moved an equivalent of 10 midi value units.
 * At the low end, with the midi expression pedal value about 1, after rest, will only respond after the pedal has moved an equivalent of 10 midi value units.
 * After the above two tests, the minimum midi value change is between 1 and 2 units, but does not take much for it to reset to waiting for the 10 midi value change for it to kick back into action.

Ok, so why does it matter for me you might ask. At the moment I am using the expression pedal for a wah wah effect on an electric violin, nailing the right frequency is important, otherwise the bandpass filter hits the wrong frequency and the effect I want is lost. As an example, using a centre frequency of 127 kHz, moving the pedal by 11 midi units causes the frequency to change to 166 kHz which is equivalent to 4.6 semi-tones -- ouch! When the midi value changes by 1 unit, this reduces to a more respectable 0.4 semi-tone frequency change. Besides having to over jiggle the expression pedal to 10 units before it comes alive is just not workable musically.

Regards,
Norman.


Re: Expression Pedal Output Sticks

Earth.Sky.Surf5@...
 

Chrisw_63,
Thanks. I have seen similar suggestions as yours. I have popped the lid and had a look at those graduated grey plastic strips  and gently touched the edge of them, they appear in tact. So far the posts I have seen in relation to a rotated strip is not getting a full 0 to 127 midi CC response, I do get full response.

SirPsycho,
Thanks. Had a peek, angle looked ok.

ossandust,

Thanks, most appreciated, assume you are the Uno developer?

Makes sense what you say regarding the fictitious analogue signal due to noise in the power signal. Sounds like the Behringer engineers took the easy route and put in a big dead zone instead of fixing the power supply, or am I being a bit harsh? If I ever get that problem a power filter may solve it.

Good to see your Uno has lifted this restriction. For my FCB1010 and the mains supply I have the noise does not seem to be a problem evidenced by the unfiltered digital signal during expression pedal calibration stage, where the HEX LED output rarely oscillates during no pedal movement and if it does only by 1 unit.

For your latest UNO firmware, what is the minimum midi output change?

Will make sure to check your site for shipping to New Zealand before I finalise my eprom purchase choice.

Ian Ockwell-smith,
Thanks for the video link, funny I already viewed that video before I saw your response :) .



Thanks all for your tips.
Regards,
Norman


Re: Expression Pedal Output Sticks

ossandust
 

The sensor issues are indeed the most common problem with the FCB1010 expression pedals, but not related to what the original poster reports: a "sticking" expression pedal. The sensors can cause a very non-linear response (with only part of the pedal sweep causing MIDI messages to be sent). The firmware issue causes no MIDI messages to be sent when you start moving the pedal, no matter in what position it is. So to know if the problem is sensor related or firmware related, it's best to put the expression pedal around half-way its range, where the sensor does work, and start moving slowly from there. The Behringer firmware only starts sending MIDI messages when it detects a change of an equivalent of 10 MIDI values (with a full sweep having a range of 128 values). UnO v.1.4 firmware starts sending messages after it detects a change of an equivalent of 2 MIDI values. Also during the pedal movement the Behringer firmware only sends about 66% of the possible values, while with the UnO firmware the full range is transmitted - but that difference will in many cases not be noticeable.


Re: Expression Pedal Output Sticks

SirPsycho
 

Norman, 

I had a similar issue with my expression pedals. Try adjusting the angle of the red LED shining thru the graduated transparent plastic piece. Check out this post: https://fcb1010.groups.io/g/uno/topic/71600940

Thanks, 

sp


Re: FCBUNO 2.0 and dropped Catalinos

ossandust
 

ok, after running through the source code I believe the solution for you will be to delete the .plist file, which should be located at $HOME/Library/Preferences/be.gordius.FCB/UnO Control Center.plist 
- It's not a hostname problem - license server logfile shows that the registrations always use the same name. 
- It's not a permission problem - your screenshot shows that your name and email address are displayed correctly in the about box, and these are also stored in the .plist file, so the application can save the data
- After checking the source code I now notice that only a maximum of 3 different hostnames are supported for 1 computer - a registration key generated for a fourth hostname will indeed not get stored in the .plist file  
So close the application, delete the .plist file, launch again and register the software, hopefully for good this time... 
Sorry for those issues ! 


Re: FCBUNO 2.0 and dropped Catalinos

SirPsycho
 

Reinstalled the application several times. Shut off WiFi so only one NIC is active (ethernet) and removed the appendage from my Computer Name. 

Still have to register every time. Screen shot #1 shows the registration accepted. (BTW, your software is referencing the Computer's Local Hostname not the actual Computer Name)

When I go to "About FCBUnoControlCenter" right after registration, it shows that the software is an "Unregistered version" (Screen shot #2)

 

As for a permission issue, I even tried shutting off System Integrity Protection temporarily while installing and registering, always the same outcome. Registration doesn’t stick. I can use all of the features of the software; just have to register every time I launch it.







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