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Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Jack Fenton
 

The EurekaSound web site shows what the FCB1010 sends in IO mode.

For me, I run this all through Bome MIDI Translator Pro to manipulate to what I like.  I can also upload my project file and use it with BomeBox if If don't want a computer involved.


But it looks like the UNO2 chip could likely handle this as well if it has enough memory and depending on the complexity of what you want to do.





Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Dale Newton
 

Jack what do mean by the on the back end of the FCB?  Another microprocessor receiving the output from the Eureka Prom, or software translating the midi output from the Eureka Prom when it receives multiple presses?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 6:00 PM Dale Newton <d.e.a.newton@...> wrote:
OK thanks hopefully someone with different firmware will be able to confirm.
 
Yes, if I have to I would probably put an Arduino in there and learn how to program it. I guess when you do with yours you'll have to figure out what kind of signal is being fed to the FCB board from the matrix, then hook the matrix up to inputs on the arduino and program it to react accordingly. Is that what that would involve more or less?



 
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Ashley J Gittins <ash@...> wrote:

From memory the switches are in a matrix with diodes, so the key matrix itself should support simultaneous presses, but I don't know about the cpu. I suspect the hardware's quite capable, but the software is probably ignoring it.

If uno supports it in stompbox mode (I would expect it does but I've no idea) that would confirm that the hardware can handle it. I only have the behringer firmware so can't help much there.

I'm planning to replace the mainboard in my recently acquired fcb1010 with an arduino or similar which will happily handle simultaneous presses, but that might be more modding than you're looking for!

You can of course program multiple actions on a single pedal hit, but that might not do what you need.

Cheers,

Ash

On 2020-08-08 20:47, Dale Newton wrote:

Hi,
 
Are there any FCB1010 firmwares or mods which allow simultaneous foot presses?
 
I have the standard chip and this is not possible, as when you press two switches at once the first press is registered but the second not. So  for example if you want to use it to send midi to switch instrument, or  press sustain on a piano synth, and apply an effect, these cant be applied at the exact same time, rather you have to press the first switch then release then press the second.
 
Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation (eg. button matrix which doesn't allow keyboard type n-key rollover)?
 
Thanks,
Dale.


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Dale Newton
 

OK thanks hopefully someone with different firmware will be able to confirm.
 
Yes, if I have to I would probably put an Arduino in there and learn how to program it. I guess when you do with yours you'll have to figure out what kind of signal is being fed to the FCB board from the matrix, then hook the matrix up to inputs on the arduino and program it to react accordingly. Is that what that would involve more or less?



 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Ashley J Gittins <ash@...> wrote:

From memory the switches are in a matrix with diodes, so the key matrix itself should support simultaneous presses, but I don't know about the cpu. I suspect the hardware's quite capable, but the software is probably ignoring it.

If uno supports it in stompbox mode (I would expect it does but I've no idea) that would confirm that the hardware can handle it. I only have the behringer firmware so can't help much there.

I'm planning to replace the mainboard in my recently acquired fcb1010 with an arduino or similar which will happily handle simultaneous presses, but that might be more modding than you're looking for!

You can of course program multiple actions on a single pedal hit, but that might not do what you need.

Cheers,

Ash

On 2020-08-08 20:47, Dale Newton wrote:

Hi,
 
Are there any FCB1010 firmwares or mods which allow simultaneous foot presses?
 
I have the standard chip and this is not possible, as when you press two switches at once the first press is registered but the second not. So  for example if you want to use it to send midi to switch instrument, or  press sustain on a piano synth, and apply an effect, these cant be applied at the exact same time, rather you have to press the first switch then release then press the second.
 
Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation (eg. button matrix which doesn't allow keyboard type n-key rollover)?
 
Thanks,
Dale.


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Earth.Sky.Surf5@...
 

OEM programmed chip only does monophonic, but Ashley J Gittins, when you replace the internals of the Behringer with an Arduino, would be great for you to post an article on it.


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Jack Fenton
 

Eureka Prom has a mode called "IO"  that you can do this. However it is very dumb so you would have to have something on the back end of your FCB1010 to evaluate the multiple or simultaneos footswitch presses, interpret them and then put out whatever messages you want.  I'm not sure but may UNO2.0 might be able to handle something like this.



Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Ashley J Gittins
 

From memory the switches are in a matrix with diodes, so the key matrix itself should support simultaneous presses, but I don't know about the cpu. I suspect the hardware's quite capable, but the software is probably ignoring it.

If uno supports it in stompbox mode (I would expect it does but I've no idea) that would confirm that the hardware can handle it. I only have the behringer firmware so can't help much there.

I'm planning to replace the mainboard in my recently acquired fcb1010 with an arduino or similar which will happily handle simultaneous presses, but that might be more modding than you're looking for!

You can of course program multiple actions on a single pedal hit, but that might not do what you need.

Cheers,

Ash

On 2020-08-08 20:47, Dale Newton wrote:

Hi,
 
Are there any FCB1010 firmwares or mods which allow simultaneous foot presses?
 
I have the standard chip and this is not possible, as when you press two switches at once the first press is registered but the second not. So  for example if you want to use it to send midi to switch instrument, or  press sustain on a piano synth, and apply an effect, these cant be applied at the exact same time, rather you have to press the first switch then release then press the second.
 
Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation (eg. button matrix which doesn't allow keyboard type n-key rollover)?
 
Thanks,
Dale.


Simultaneous foot presses

Dale Newton
 

Hi,

Are there any FCB1010 firmwares or mods which allow simultaneous foot presses?
 
I have the standard chip and this is not possible, as when you press two switches at once the first press is registered but the second not. So  for example if you want to use it to send midi to switch instrument, or  press sustain on a piano synth, and apply an effect, these cant be applied at the exact same time, rather you have to press the first switch then release then press the second.

Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation (eg. button matrix which doesn't allow keyboard type n-key rollover)?

Thanks,
Dale.


Re: Footswitch 1 Won't Stay On? New User ..

cowen.jared42@...
 

Hmm not sure if it’s been modified, I don’t think so but I bought it used. The original version of the behringer
doesnt light up the #1 foot switch? All the tutorials I’ve watched for programming always have the #1 foot switch lit up, but it doesn’t stay lit for me.


All other foot switches can stay lit. #1 will light up if I press it, but as soon as I let go it will turn off, unlike the other 9 switches on the board.


Re: Footswitch 1 Won't Stay On? New User ..

Earth.Sky.Surf5@...
 

Is the firmware the original Behriner or a modified one like the UNO? The original does not have the functionality you are talking about, i.e. a momentary switch.


Footswitch 1 Won't Stay On? New User ..

cowen.jared42@...
 

Hey Everyone,

I am new to the FCB1010 and have already encountered my first problem. The footswitch #1 will not stay lit when I press it. It turns on, but immediately turns off as soon as I let go of it. It is making programming the board extremely frustrating as I never know if it is actually on or not. I have tried factory resetting the board multiple times but have had no luck. Has this happened to anyone else? Thanks for your help in advance!


Re: CC also sending PC on Expression Pedal

Earth.Sky.Surf5@...
 

Press the page down button on the foot controller for a couple of seconds. This will show the programming for that preset, see that button 1 lit up with the red LED, that is telling you it will also send a program change 00 message. So press button 1 for a couple of seconds, the LED will go out, no more program change msgs. Hit page down for a couple of secs to exit — done.


FCB 1010 and ToneLib GFX

@Escapist4now
 

Hi all !
Is somebody have an expirience of using FCB 1010 with ToneLib GFX  ?
Best regards,
Pasquale


Re: IMPORTANT: Group Funding Renewal Request #announcement #donations

Roger Colwell
 

Hi Andy, please excuse my confusion but you've been a member here since 29th April 2017 so why would you be thinking you "...signed up for membership today"??

Or do you mean that you were trying to visit the Donations page and were unable to login?

Note: as your Email Delivery setting is "Special Notices Only", so you wouldn't normally receive any general notifications of new topics or replies etc., I've changed the setting temporarily to "Individual Messages" as you might not otherwise receive my response ...
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Roger Colwell
FCB1010 Group Owner/Moderator


Re: IMPORTANT: Group Funding Renewal Request #announcement #donations

Andy Williams
 

I signed up for membership today and am waiting for confirmation email. Will gladly contribute once I receive that and am able to log in.

Andy Williams

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On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 08:26:46 AM CDT, Roger Colwell <roger.colwell@...> wrote:


Brief History
When FCB1010 and FCB1010_UnO groups were successfully migrated from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io (GIO) in October 2019, in order to maintain/store all previous data (which Yahoo has since deleted), it became necessary to purchase a GIO Premium Yearly Plan in order to complete that migration.

Ongoing
We have so far enjoyed the GIO experience, with no annoying ads or delays/outages (as per Yahoo), so this Special Notice is a request for members to make a small contribution towards the upkeep of FCB1010 and FCB1010_UnO, as our subscription is due for renewal in October.

As the vast majority of original members (from Yahoo) have seemingly never needed to visit our Groups.io website then, if you are one of those members, you will not have seen the Donations tab in the main menu. I'd very much appreciate you take a look before October, please – you will be presented with a login page when you visit this URL: https://fcb1010.groups.io/g/main/viewdonations that looks like this:


As you will probably not have set a password to login successfully, you can choose to be emailed a link to login. You will arrive at this page:


From here you can click on the "Forum Running Costs" link and arrive at this page:



Please note that the "Raised So Far" amount may well be different than shown (well, at least that's my hope) :-)

To conclude this request, all I would like to add is that for those who are UnO group members, with your own Donations page, you may either visit the main group's page (as you are already members of the main group FCB1010) or you may start a similar path from: https://fcb1010.groups.io/g/uno/viewdonations

Thank you in anticipation of your continued support, on behalf of myself and the moderators ...

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Roger Colwell
FCB1010 and FCB1010_UnO Groups Owner/Moderator


Re: CC also sending PC on Expression Pedal

chrisw_63
 

IIRC, the stock FCB1010 comes pre-programmed with some default values.  I don't remember which, but I remember having to overwrite them.  Of course it's possible I got a returned unit, but I'm sure I did a factory reset when I first got it several years ago.

Which is also a good idea in your case, if you haven't already.  Factory Reset, then re-program it with your settings.

On 7/29/2020 6:54 PM, David Grosz via groups.io wrote:
Sorry there are no bad presets they only do what they are told so if you want to use a pedal and you are getting a PC message well the pedal didn't program itself because thats how it is
On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 5:43:27 PM PDT, chrisw_63 <chrisw_63@...> wrote:


TLDR:  Turn off all five PC messages for the presets that are misbehaving.  :-)


Re: CC also sending PC on Expression Pedal

David Grosz
 

Sorry there are no bad presets they only do what they are told so if you want to use a pedal and you are getting a PC message well the pedal didn't program itself because thats how it is

On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 5:43:27 PM PDT, chrisw_63 <chrisw_63@...> wrote:


TLDR:  Turn off all five PC messages for the presets that are misbehaving.  :-)


Re: CC also sending PC on Expression Pedal

chrisw_63
 

TLDR:  Turn off all five PC messages for the presets that are misbehaving.  :-)


Re: CC also sending PC on Expression Pedal

David Grosz
 

So mnay things but are you using the stock chip or UnO or Eureka prom? 

Do you use and editor?

Midi is a funny thing when something unexpected happens but assuming you said by assigning a bank of FCB presets to the expression pedals I'm going to guess you are programming the pedals manually but midi only does what its told to do and somehow you have a PC message set also.    Remember you have 10 banks of 10 presets that each can have 5 different PC messages, 2 CC messages. 2 expression pedals and a note value, so saying you have a bank dedicated to the expression pedals you are following this chart attached for assigning the pedals.  Very cool amp, I did not know they made such a thing and being able to control so many things with the pedals is a nice touch. 

Depending on which chip you have get a midi/usb cable and the free FCB1010 editor it will make things easy to program and even easier to trouble shoot something like this.  Stock the FCB1010 comes with a PC message pre programmed so if your new to this and just programmed the pedals per switch it also has a PC message that will have to turned off so you just get the pedal value.  In the editor you have a panel where you set your values for each switch like the image I posted and using an editor saves so much time

On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 8:07:38 AM PDT, rdhanson.atl@... <rdhanson.atl@...> wrote:


Hi All:

I've been setting up the FCB to give me ultimate control of my Fender Cyber Deluxe. So far I can access all my amp presets, and now I'm trying to add the ability to modify parameters. I've programmed a bank of FCB presets to just change CC for Expression Pedal A. It does that, but it also changes the Amp Preset to 00. Any idea on how to eliminate that?


CC also sending PC on Expression Pedal

rdhanson.atl@...
 

Hi All:

I've been setting up the FCB to give me ultimate control of my Fender Cyber Deluxe. So far I can access all my amp presets, and now I'm trying to add the ability to modify parameters. I've programmed a bank of FCB presets to just change CC for Expression Pedal A. It does that, but it also changes the Amp Preset to 00. Any idea on how to eliminate that?


Re: Page Turns with FCB1010 Switches

chrisw_63
 

A lot of page turning software can already receive MIDI directly, since they're often used for music.  Check the manual.

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