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FCB101 sends random value Bank Select messages (midi CC 0) with note off messages.

Dale Newton
 

Hi,

My FCB101 sends Bank Select messages (midi CC 0) of random value (1-127) with every second note off message sent.

This happens on all pedals, and still following a reset. Before resetting it was sending random value midi CC 0x42 (portamento) messages.

So, for example pressing a pedal, you'll get the desired note on message, followed by a note off message. Then pressing again you'll get the desired note on then note off message but along with it comes a Bank Select of random value (eg. B0 00 3B 00).

I see nothing about this in the manual. Anyone recognise this behaviour?

Thanks,
Dale.
 


Help

Reginaldo Frazatto Jr.
 

Hello everyone!

I had my FCB1010 stored for many years and thought I would never use it but an iPad and all the new guitar apps changed everything.
I am using UnO 1.0.4 and downloaded some SysEx files from the group and finally was able to control THU, Amplitube and ToneStack fairly well.
But the problem started when ToneStack started to shut down after changing presets and turning stomps on and off. I read the this might be related to CC messages.
Using FCB1010Stetup I tried to create an SysEx to solve the problem. This is still very confusing to me. 
At the end I forgot to save the SysEx that was working well (with THU and Amplitube) and cannot recreate it.
Can someone help me?
 I used a midi monitor to record what I had before and what I have now, when I press foot switch 1.

before


now


Thanks.


Re: Footswitch 1 Won't Stay On? New User ..

Earth.Sky.Surf5@...
 

cowen,
To find out what chip is installed, flip the floor board upside down, unscrew the bottom plate and have a look. The two pictures below show this for my unit which has the original equipment manufacture (OEM) chip from Behringer in it.



So if it says "FCB1010 Vn.m", where n and m are some integers indicating the version number, you have the OEM Behringer chip.


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

ossandust
 

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 08:50 PM, Dale Newton wrote:
if one button is pressed down then another is pressed down while it's still depressed, both will send midi, then both releases will also send midi
Correct.


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

David Grosz
 

I think this has been a great thread with some great information along the way and thank you for asking the question we all I think learned something along the way and not everyone uses it in the same way or to do the same things but its awesome to take a product and turn it into something so else hardly comparably to the original

On Sunday, August 9, 2020, 1:50:46 PM PDT, Dale Newton <d.e.a.newton@...> wrote:


Thanks Ossandust.  So, if one button is pressed down then another is pressed down while it's still depressed, both will send midi, then both releases will also send midi?

The potential usefulness of two simultaneous midi signals in music composition and performance are practically unlimited (eg. Earth.Sky.Surf5's suggestion of an organist's pedal; pedals for a pianist, patch changes and effects). 

For the sake of the quality and brevity of information in this thread, anyone who wishes to insist this functionality has no usefulness (rather than ask about it), or insist on how I plan to use or not use the device (rather than ask about it!), if you must send messages of this kind please send them to me in a private message.


Re: Footswitch 1 Won't Stay On? New User ..

Dale Newton
 

Try following the steps for the various ways you can program the OEM Behringer firmware and see if it lights up / proceeds as it should. If it doesn't, it's probably a different chip in there.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:31 PM <cowen.jared42@...> wrote:
Bump


Re: Footswitch 1 Won't Stay On? New User ..

cowen.jared42@...
 

Bump


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Dale Newton
 

Thanks Ossandust.  So, if one button is pressed down then another is pressed down while it's still depressed, both will send midi, then both releases will also send midi?

The potential usefulness of two simultaneous midi signals in music composition and performance are practically unlimited (eg. Earth.Sky.Surf5's suggestion of an organist's pedal; pedals for a pianist, patch changes and effects). 

For the sake of the quality and brevity of information in this thread, anyone who wishes to insist this functionality has no usefulness (rather than ask about it), or insist on how I plan to use or not use the device (rather than ask about it!), if you must send messages of this kind please send them to me in a private message.


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

ossandust
 

I just tested it in order to be 100% sure : yes, UnO2 firmware handles multiple button presses correctly - each button press and release is processed independently. 


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Earth.Sky.Surf5@...
 

Why two buttons at once, so you can use it as a polyphonic organ bass pedal board. Just one example.


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

toko42
 

The UnO2 can interpret the press of 2 switches at once?

How do you program this?

Am 9. August 2020 04:58:06 MESZ schrieb "David Grosz via groups.io" <davidgrosz2205@...>:

Well you need to get the UnO2 chip which easily can do what you want





On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 12:00 PM, Dale Newton
<d.e.a.newton@...> wrote:
Jack what do mean by the on the back end of the FCB?  Another microprocessor receiving the output from the Eureka Prom, or software translating the midi output from the Eureka Prom when it receives multiple presses?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 6:00 PM Dale Newton <d.e.a.newton@...> wrote:
OK thanks hopefully someone with different firmware will be able to confirm.
 
Yes, if I have to I would probably put an Arduino in there and learn how to program it. I guess when you do with yours you'll have to figure out what kind of signal is being fed to the FCB board from the matrix, then hook the matrix up to inputs on the arduino and program it to react accordingly. Is that what that would involve more or less?



 
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Ashley J Gittins <ash@...> wrote:

From memory the switches are in a matrix with diodes, so the key matrix itself should support simultaneous presses, but I don't know about the cpu. I suspect the hardware's quite capable, but the software is probably ignoring it.

If uno supports it in stompbox mode (I would expect it does but I've no idea) that would confirm that the hardware can handle it. I only have the behringer firmware so can't help much there.

I'm planning to replace the mainboard in my recently acquired fcb1010 with an arduino or similar which will happily handle simultaneous presses, but that might be more modding than you're looking for!

You can of course program multiple actions on a single pedal hit, but that might not do what you need.

Cheers,

Ash

On 2020-08-08 20:47, Dale Newton wrote:

Hi,
 
Are there any FCB1010 firmwares or mods which allow simultaneous foot presses?
 
I have the standard chip and this is not possible, as when you press two switches at once the first press is registered but the second not. So  for example if you want to use it to send midi to switch instrument, or  press sustain on a piano synth, and apply an effect, these cant be applied at the exact same time, rather you have to press the first switch then release then press the second.
 
Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation (eg. button matrix which doesn't allow keyboard type n-key rollover)?
 
Thanks,
Dale.


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Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Jack Fenton
 

The EurekaSound web site shows what the FCB1010 sends in IO mode.

For me, I run this all through Bome MIDI Translator Pro to manipulate to what I like.  I can also upload my project file and use it with BomeBox if If don't want a computer involved.


But it looks like the UNO2 chip could likely handle this as well if it has enough memory and depending on the complexity of what you want to do.





Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Dale Newton
 

Jack what do mean by the on the back end of the FCB?  Another microprocessor receiving the output from the Eureka Prom, or software translating the midi output from the Eureka Prom when it receives multiple presses?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 6:00 PM Dale Newton <d.e.a.newton@...> wrote:
OK thanks hopefully someone with different firmware will be able to confirm.
 
Yes, if I have to I would probably put an Arduino in there and learn how to program it. I guess when you do with yours you'll have to figure out what kind of signal is being fed to the FCB board from the matrix, then hook the matrix up to inputs on the arduino and program it to react accordingly. Is that what that would involve more or less?



 
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Ashley J Gittins <ash@...> wrote:

From memory the switches are in a matrix with diodes, so the key matrix itself should support simultaneous presses, but I don't know about the cpu. I suspect the hardware's quite capable, but the software is probably ignoring it.

If uno supports it in stompbox mode (I would expect it does but I've no idea) that would confirm that the hardware can handle it. I only have the behringer firmware so can't help much there.

I'm planning to replace the mainboard in my recently acquired fcb1010 with an arduino or similar which will happily handle simultaneous presses, but that might be more modding than you're looking for!

You can of course program multiple actions on a single pedal hit, but that might not do what you need.

Cheers,

Ash

On 2020-08-08 20:47, Dale Newton wrote:

Hi,
 
Are there any FCB1010 firmwares or mods which allow simultaneous foot presses?
 
I have the standard chip and this is not possible, as when you press two switches at once the first press is registered but the second not. So  for example if you want to use it to send midi to switch instrument, or  press sustain on a piano synth, and apply an effect, these cant be applied at the exact same time, rather you have to press the first switch then release then press the second.
 
Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation (eg. button matrix which doesn't allow keyboard type n-key rollover)?
 
Thanks,
Dale.


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Dale Newton
 

OK thanks hopefully someone with different firmware will be able to confirm.
 
Yes, if I have to I would probably put an Arduino in there and learn how to program it. I guess when you do with yours you'll have to figure out what kind of signal is being fed to the FCB board from the matrix, then hook the matrix up to inputs on the arduino and program it to react accordingly. Is that what that would involve more or less?



 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Ashley J Gittins <ash@...> wrote:

From memory the switches are in a matrix with diodes, so the key matrix itself should support simultaneous presses, but I don't know about the cpu. I suspect the hardware's quite capable, but the software is probably ignoring it.

If uno supports it in stompbox mode (I would expect it does but I've no idea) that would confirm that the hardware can handle it. I only have the behringer firmware so can't help much there.

I'm planning to replace the mainboard in my recently acquired fcb1010 with an arduino or similar which will happily handle simultaneous presses, but that might be more modding than you're looking for!

You can of course program multiple actions on a single pedal hit, but that might not do what you need.

Cheers,

Ash

On 2020-08-08 20:47, Dale Newton wrote:

Hi,
 
Are there any FCB1010 firmwares or mods which allow simultaneous foot presses?
 
I have the standard chip and this is not possible, as when you press two switches at once the first press is registered but the second not. So  for example if you want to use it to send midi to switch instrument, or  press sustain on a piano synth, and apply an effect, these cant be applied at the exact same time, rather you have to press the first switch then release then press the second.
 
Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation (eg. button matrix which doesn't allow keyboard type n-key rollover)?
 
Thanks,
Dale.


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Earth.Sky.Surf5@...
 

OEM programmed chip only does monophonic, but Ashley J Gittins, when you replace the internals of the Behringer with an Arduino, would be great for you to post an article on it.


Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Jack Fenton
 

Eureka Prom has a mode called "IO"  that you can do this. However it is very dumb so you would have to have something on the back end of your FCB1010 to evaluate the multiple or simultaneos footswitch presses, interpret them and then put out whatever messages you want.  I'm not sure but may UNO2.0 might be able to handle something like this.



Re: Simultaneous foot presses

Ashley J Gittins
 

From memory the switches are in a matrix with diodes, so the key matrix itself should support simultaneous presses, but I don't know about the cpu. I suspect the hardware's quite capable, but the software is probably ignoring it.

If uno supports it in stompbox mode (I would expect it does but I've no idea) that would confirm that the hardware can handle it. I only have the behringer firmware so can't help much there.

I'm planning to replace the mainboard in my recently acquired fcb1010 with an arduino or similar which will happily handle simultaneous presses, but that might be more modding than you're looking for!

You can of course program multiple actions on a single pedal hit, but that might not do what you need.

Cheers,

Ash

On 2020-08-08 20:47, Dale Newton wrote:

Hi,
 
Are there any FCB1010 firmwares or mods which allow simultaneous foot presses?
 
I have the standard chip and this is not possible, as when you press two switches at once the first press is registered but the second not. So  for example if you want to use it to send midi to switch instrument, or  press sustain on a piano synth, and apply an effect, these cant be applied at the exact same time, rather you have to press the first switch then release then press the second.
 
Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation (eg. button matrix which doesn't allow keyboard type n-key rollover)?
 
Thanks,
Dale.


Simultaneous foot presses

Dale Newton
 

Hi,

Are there any FCB1010 firmwares or mods which allow simultaneous foot presses?
 
I have the standard chip and this is not possible, as when you press two switches at once the first press is registered but the second not. So  for example if you want to use it to send midi to switch instrument, or  press sustain on a piano synth, and apply an effect, these cant be applied at the exact same time, rather you have to press the first switch then release then press the second.

Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation (eg. button matrix which doesn't allow keyboard type n-key rollover)?

Thanks,
Dale.


Re: Footswitch 1 Won't Stay On? New User ..

cowen.jared42@...
 

Hmm not sure if it’s been modified, I don’t think so but I bought it used. The original version of the behringer
doesnt light up the #1 foot switch? All the tutorials I’ve watched for programming always have the #1 foot switch lit up, but it doesn’t stay lit for me.


All other foot switches can stay lit. #1 will light up if I press it, but as soon as I let go it will turn off, unlike the other 9 switches on the board.


Re: Footswitch 1 Won't Stay On? New User ..

Earth.Sky.Surf5@...
 

Is the firmware the original Behriner or a modified one like the UNO? The original does not have the functionality you are talking about, i.e. a momentary switch.