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Re: GUIDE TO THE FCB1010

chrisw_63
 

The wording of your post leads me to believe you are involved with the 'article' in some way.  I'll post some criticisms that you can 'forward' to the author.

The guide doesn't cover half of what the FCB1010 can do, is overly simplistic in what it does cover, and will simply not work for an amazing number of MIDI devices.  It doesn't mention 'Omni' mode - a mode a lot of devices have that tells it to listen to any and all MIDI channels. A section near the top starts, "To set the MIDI channel on your FCB1010..."  The MIDI channel, as if it has only one.  It doesn't mention that the FCB1010 has separate MIDI channels for PC, Note, and CC messages, and another for the Expression pedals which it does mention further down.  It doesn't mention that the FCB1010, and most MIDI devices, come from the factory set to MIDI channel 1, or, if they have it, Omni mode.  Specifically, if they're using MIDI channel 1, they don't have to set the FCB's MIDI channels at all. If the device they're using the FCB1010 with has Omni mode, they don't have to worry about setting that channel, either.  Not to mention that finding the MIDI channel setting in some of those things is a mind-numbing task.

Oh, and speaking of programming, it doesn't mention that you should Factory Reset the FCB1010 before starting to program it for the first time.  It saves a lot of headaches.  If by chance it has issues, a factory reset will either fix it, or, if the reset fails, let you know to pack it back up and return it for a replacement.

One part details how to "program the 1 button to select preset 23 on your MIDI gear."  No mention is made of selecting a bank.  In fact, there is no mention of banks at all until 'More Advanced Steps' much further down the document.  Not all MIDI devices have presets, not all devices that have presets use PC messages to set them.  And if they do, PC 23 may be invalid or not correspond to preset 23 on the device.  Yes, I realize this is just an example, but you need to specify that.

Next it goes on to detail programming Expression pedal A, and concludes with: "You have now programmed the FCB1010 to use Expression Pedal A for volume control."
     No.
     No they have not.
Aside from the primary glaring error that no mention was made of selecting a preset first, it doesn't mention that they're programming a preset at all.  And they haven't programmed the expression pedal because the must select the preset they did actually program before the expression pedal will be set to that configuration.  Nor is there any mention at all that each preset can set the expression pedals to a different configuration.

And one last comment:  What is a '1/4″ sorting jack' ?  I assume it's a typo that meant 'shorting' jack.  But even that is overly specific and inaccurate.  Many devices that have external switch jacks don't use shorting jacks.  They cost more and lead to more repairs when the shorting contact wears out or gets dirty.  Instead, they just reverse the 'logic' so that open is off, and closed is on, so they can use regular TS jacks without the shorting contact.  A simple tweak that saves them ten cents per jack and some warranty repairs?  Yeah.. no brainer...  Adding words to make the document sound more official almost always fails.  And mostly is just another place to make a mistake.


GUIDE TO THE FCB1010

Kofi & Mimi in Ghana
 

Here is an interesting article that provides a guide to the FCB1010. You will love to read it

https://baninii.com/2020/12/03/guide-to-the-fcb1010/

Kofi


Re: yamaha Tyros 5 with FCB1010

chrisw_63
 

As usual, since I don't know you or your familiarity with MIDI, etc, I may explain things you already know - Apologies if that bothers you.

How are you connecting the FCB1010 to the Tyros?  It can only be done with regular MIDI 5-pin DIN cables.  If you have a USB to MIDI converter cable, you could hook both the Tyros and FCB1010 to a computer and have the computer route MIDI to the Tyros (or a MIDI box like the iConnectivity mioXM can do the same).  The Tyros' USB connections are not for connection to MIDI devices other than a computer.  Sort of.  Please note that you only need one 5-pin DIN cable - from the FCB1010 MIDI Out to the Tyros' MIDI IN.  The Tyros can't send anything to the FCB1010 that it will listen to, so the other cable isn't needed for this (but both are needed for programming the FCB1010 from a computer).

If you need any of the manuals for the keyboard, I found them here: https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/tyros5/downloads.html#product-tabs

From the manual, it is supposed to work, but whoever wrote it didn't go for readability.  There's a chart starting on page 81 of the ambiguously named "Tyros5 Data List" (obvious that's where all the MIDI info is, right???) that lists the usable MIDI messages.  At the very least, it's supposed to play notes sent with MIDI, so you could try to verify the connection by just programming Note messages into the FCB1010.  At the same time, program one of the expression pedals for CC # 7.  This should be volume.  This is a very simple setup to troubleshoot and get things working.  From the manual, it appears as if all of this is set up ready for an external controller.

On page 140, it lists the MIDI Receive Settings.  Port 1 and Port 2 refer to the two sets of MIDI 5-pin DIN jacks on the back, and also to two USB MIDI ports.  (It has two MIDI ports on the same USB jack - the USB TO HOST (type B).  The other USB jack labelled USB TO DEVICE is only for USB memory sticks or a USB Wireless adapter.)  But most important, at the bottom there's a section labelled Rx Monitor, and parts of it flash when it receives MIDI data.  This will help to troubleshoot your MIDI connection from the FCB1010 to the Tyros.

If none of that works, you may need to fool around in the menu system with the MIDI settings, specifically the MIDI channel settings and 'Local' settings for each voice.  Page 138 of the Reference Manual says that turning off Local disconnects the keys from the internal voices..."For example, this allows you to use an external MIDI sequencer to play the instrument’s internal Voices, and use the instrument keyboard to record notes to the external sequencer and/or play an external tone generator."  This does not mean that it won't accept MIDI notes when Local is On, but nowhere in the entire thing does it say that it will, so.. YMMV.

Hope this helps.


yamaha Tyros 5 with FCB1010

WilliamFinland
 

Hello

Had FCB1010 for years but after several attempts to use with Tyros 5 found it under dust.

Perhaps might be worth trying again. I might need some practical assistance.  
In Tyros there is ready made setups for Yamahas own MCB10.  Can that be utilised for FCB1010?

Looking forward ...

William


Re: Missing something very basic!

Jim Coombes
 

Thank you for your help EJ

I wasn't in Direct Select after all - just a basic misunderstanding. For some reason I thought that each preset contained settings for all the foot switches - now I realise that each bank can contain 1 preset for each switch and pedal.

So, yes! I was missing something very basic and now it all makes sense (we'll see how I get on in practise!).

For the record my primary wish for the FCB is to control my DAW's transport controls with my feet so that I can keep my hands on my guitar when recording - and I have now achieved this.


Re: Missing something very basic!

EJ SHELDON
 

It sounds like you're in "Direct Select" mode. If, after you press 1, you then press another pedal, for instance, 3, you'll then go to preset 13, and that's what the FCB will send via MIDI. In that mode, the UP/DOWN pedals toggle the two analog switches. If you deactivate DIRECT SELECT, then the UP/DOWN pedals select the Bank#, and the numbered pedals select presets 1-10 in that bank.

I could explain how to do that, but that would involve a lot of typing that's already been done by Behringer in the User's Manual. All programming can be done manually, which is a PITA.

First thing to do is a Factory Reset. Turn off the unit. Reboot while holding pedals 1 + 6. The display will start a countdown, at which point you can release the pedals. When the countdown ends the display will read "00", and you'll be in normal (not Direct Select) mode.

Now, you can drive yourself crazy reading the entire User's Manual 20 times, OR you can get a proper Editor. If you have the stock chip, you can use the FREE Ed Dixon Editor which is available in the FILES section. It's ancient and no longer supported, but does work.

OR, and this is my recommendation, you can spend $20 for the UNO_ControlCenter Editor. FAR superior, MUCH easier to use, works with the stock chip as well as UNO, and actively supported by the author and many users right here on this forum.

https://www.fcb1010.uno/

IMO, you'd be a fool not to.

You didn't mention what your intended use for the FCB is, but lots of people here have used it for all sorts of stuff, and we'll be happy to help.


Missing something very basic!

Jim Coombes
 

I am completely new to FCB1010 and rather puzzled. Is this an easy one? I do hope so.

I see that, when first powered on, the unit is in a mode to select the bank and preset. If I press pedal 1 the display changes to show I have selected preset 1 on bank 0. 

If I then select an alternative preset the display changes to reflect that.

What I am puzzled about is - I can't see how to save the selection (01) and move to a mode where I can use the pedals to send midi to my DAW. 

Help please :-)


Re: Need Help FCB1010 + AT4 on Logic Pro X

Cem Solak
 


Hi EJ
An update regarding PROBLEM 2 on my previous mail.

Update: "Locate the com.apple.logic.pro.cs file found HD>Library>Preferences.
Copy that file somewhere, if your control surface settings have vanished replace that file with your copy."

follow that advice and worked well   just wanted you to give an update.

I will also try your proposal on Midi Channel - Audio Channel link thing and let you know.

Anyway thanks for all the help. Cheers :)

EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...>, 15 Eki 2020 Per, 19:06 tarihinde şunu yazdı:

Problem 1 - The AUDIO track will ONLY record AUDIO. To record the MIDI info, you need to record the MIDI track also. Refer to my screenshot attached above. Set BOTH tracks to RECORD.

Problem 2 - What settings are you referring to? Your AT4 MIDI settings should be the same for both standalone and VST, and reflect the assignments saved in the FCB. Changes made to the VST (active preset, AT4 AUDIO settings) are (or should be) saved by Logic when you save the project. If you mean changes to the FCB, they will not be saved in Logic, they need to be saved on the FCB itself, and AT4 needs to be configured to respond accordingly to the FCB settings.

Remember that the MIDI track serves to bring the MIDI info from the FCB into the DAW. The settings in the DAW MIDI track CHANNEL the MIDI to the VST on the AUDIO track. If you RECORD  BOTH the AUDIO AND MIDI tracks, they'll playback in sync, and the recorded MIDI will be sent to AT4 on the AUDIO track.

As mentioned, I don't use Logic. Various DAWs have different switches (usually the TRACK MONITOR or whatever Logic calls it) that may need to be set differently to RECORD vs PLAYBACK. When you PLAYBACK, you need to AT LEAST disable RECORD on both tracks, or the track will be written over. Other switches in Logic I can't help you with. Maybe someone here who uses Logic will be able to help with that. You might want to start a new thread called NEED HELP WITH LOGIC PRO X.


Re: Dead pedal switch

sushiyummy@...
 

I live in Portland OR. I was only looking to replace the switch, but the one time I looked at it, it looks too integrated into the circuit board to do any quick component change-outs.


Re: Dead pedal switch

Joseph Flynn
 

Let me know if you want it. I have it listed for $75+ shipping. 


On Oct 15, 2020, at 4:34 PM, David Kramer <dkramer13@...> wrote:

 I have the whole unit in Florida.

On 10/14/2020 11:03 PM, Joseph Flynn wrote:
I am in Massachusetts in the US. If u are in the states, it would not be too expensive to ship. 



On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:37 PM, David Kramer <dkramer13@...> wrote:

Where do you live?

On 10/14/2020 1:51 PM, sushiyummy via groups.io wrote:
Hi, I am not getting any signal from pedal switch #1. I tried writing to Behringer pre-Covid and they didn't respond.

Anybody had any luck besides my dead-end outcome?


Re: Dead pedal switch

David Kramer
 

I have the whole unit in Florida.

On 10/14/2020 11:03 PM, Joseph Flynn wrote:
I am in Massachusetts in the US. If u are in the states, it would not be too expensive to ship. 



On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:37 PM, David Kramer <dkramer13@...> wrote:

Where do you live?

On 10/14/2020 1:51 PM, sushiyummy via groups.io wrote:
Hi, I am not getting any signal from pedal switch #1. I tried writing to Behringer pre-Covid and they didn't respond.

Anybody had any luck besides my dead-end outcome?


Re: Need Help FCB1010 + AT4 on Logic Pro X

EJ SHELDON
 

Problem 1 - The AUDIO track will ONLY record AUDIO. To record the MIDI info, you need to record the MIDI track also. Refer to my screenshot attached above. Set BOTH tracks to RECORD.

Problem 2 - What settings are you referring to? Your AT4 MIDI settings should be the same for both standalone and VST, and reflect the assignments saved in the FCB. Changes made to the VST (active preset, AT4 AUDIO settings) are (or should be) saved by Logic when you save the project. If you mean changes to the FCB, they will not be saved in Logic, they need to be saved on the FCB itself, and AT4 needs to be configured to respond accordingly to the FCB settings.

Remember that the MIDI track serves to bring the MIDI info from the FCB into the DAW. The settings in the DAW MIDI track CHANNEL the MIDI to the VST on the AUDIO track. If you RECORD  BOTH the AUDIO AND MIDI tracks, they'll playback in sync, and the recorded MIDI will be sent to AT4 on the AUDIO track.

As mentioned, I don't use Logic. Various DAWs have different switches (usually the TRACK MONITOR or whatever Logic calls it) that may need to be set differently to RECORD vs PLAYBACK. When you PLAYBACK, you need to AT LEAST disable RECORD on both tracks, or the track will be written over. Other switches in Logic I can't help you with. Maybe someone here who uses Logic will be able to help with that. You might want to start a new thread called NEED HELP WITH LOGIC PRO X.


Re: Need Help FCB1010 + AT4 on Logic Pro X

Cem Solak
 


Hi Ej sorry for the late response work was hectic. :(

Actually I find out two solutions but none of them completely solve my issues

Solution one: (I think it is similar to what you meant. This guys video


Remaining Problem: 

I can control AT4 with already existing (stand-alone mode) midi settings yet when I record guitar on Logic it records clean audio file only, not the Midi channel I've linked to audio like a/m video does.


Solution 2: This guy's video



Remaining Problem: 

When I shut down the program, (Logic) every setting I made is gone. Once I re-open Logic I had to start over and re-set footswitch. It does not matter whether I save the project or not. No change, still settings are gone.


Do you have any suggestions any of the above solutions or am I missing something?

Cheers and many thanks for every help you've made so far. Much appreciated.

Cem



EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...>, 1 Eki 2020 Per, 04:43 tarihinde şunu yazdı:

That wasn't my only suggestion. That just prevents the MIDI from the FCB from interfering with the built-in LOGIC functions.
Set up a MIDI track to bring in MIDI from the INTERFACE that the FCB is connected to, then send the OUTPUT of that track to the AUDIO track that AT4 is inserted on.
Attached is a screenshot of what it looks like in Ableton LIVE.


Re: Dead pedal switch

Joseph Flynn
 

I am in Massachusetts in the US. If u are in the states, it would not be too expensive to ship. 



On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:37 PM, David Kramer <dkramer13@...> wrote:

Where do you live?

On 10/14/2020 1:51 PM, sushiyummy via groups.io wrote:
Hi, I am not getting any signal from pedal switch #1. I tried writing to Behringer pre-Covid and they didn't respond.

Anybody had any luck besides my dead-end outcome?


Re: Dead pedal switch

David Kramer
 

Where do you live?

On 10/14/2020 1:51 PM, sushiyummy via groups.io wrote:
Hi, I am not getting any signal from pedal switch #1. I tried writing to Behringer pre-Covid and they didn't respond.

Anybody had any luck besides my dead-end outcome?


Re: Dead pedal switch

chrisw_63
 

Sadly, Behringer didn't use the highest quality switches.  They do die on occasion.  They can be replaced if you're handy with a soldering iron, but while it's easy to find buttons that "work" and fit in the same holes, it's harder to find exactly the same vertical size - some are taller, some are shorter.

Shorter ones can end up not getting pushed due to the actuator's built in stop.  The stop prevents you from putting pressure on the circuit board.  A foot can put a lot of pressure on a switch, so don't disable the stop.  Instead, you can raise the switch.  Either use a shim underneath the button before soldering it, or glue something to the stem of the button to make that taller.  Use the old button to match the right size.

If they're too tall, your foot will put pressure on the circuit board, so it has to be pretty accurate.  If the stem is long enough, you can cut it down with a Dremel tool or sandpaper.  I wouldn't recommend using a knife - it can be done, but these things are really small, that button stem is really hard plastic, and you risk cutting yourself. Side cutters (like wire cutters, only bigger) will leave a nasty looking button, won't be very accurate, and might break the button.  Behringer should probably have used an optical or Hall Effect switch - those can last a very long time, and there'd be no danger of pressure on the circuit board.


Dead pedal switch

sushiyummy@...
 

Hi, I am not getting any signal from pedal switch #1. I tried writing to Behringer pre-Covid and they didn't respond.

Anybody had any luck besides my dead-end outcome?


Re: Yahoo Groups killed on Dec.15, 2020

ossandust
 

Maybe add the fun fact that back in 1998 Larry Page and Sergei Brin offered to sell their startup (which later became Google) for $1 million to Yahoo but Yahoo turned down the offer. Talking about a missed opportunity...  In 2002 Yahoo tried in vain to buy Google for $3 billion. You can Google that for more info ;-) 


Re: Yahoo Groups killed on Dec.15, 2020

Ashley J Gittins
 

On 2020-10-13 23:51, Bruce Collins via groups.io wrote:

 

Prob because Google (who bought the Search engine that made google famous from Yahoo) has taken over Yahoo capabilities. 

 

Getting a bit off-topic here, but I am pretty sure that none of the things you said there are true. 

 

Google was founded in 1996 by Larry Page and Sergey Brin, who, along with Scott Hassan (actually, mostly the latter) wrote the google search engine. Yahoo's search engine was not part of that lineage.

 

Maybe you are confused because Yahoo signed a search deal with google in 2000, so from then Yahoo showed google search results on their site. This is after they dropped using inktomi, the search provider behind hotbot/lyca et al who they were using prior to that for search results (they later bought inktomi in 2006).

 

Yahoo are leaving the groups space because they don't see value in it - just like they left search, just like they left geocities, just like they left delicious, and yahoo messenger, and all sorts of other products they've let go along the way. Sure, competing with google is tough, but yahoo's not some poor victim here, and it sure isn't the creator of what made google special. Yahoo for a loooong time has been a media company, not a tech company.

 

Ash 

 


Re: General Question

OSS Architect
 

As other's have pointed out what the fcb1010 won't do, I'll just chime in on "what to do" to get what you want:

- buy pedals like Source Audio that have built-in MIDI support
- buy pedals like Chase Bliss that take a separate 1/4 TRS cable that plugs into a MIDI interface box (not the fcb1010)
- buy a hybrid MIDI contoller-switching system (you would only do this for performance reasons, not to save money).

look at the second diagram on this page: https://www.soundsculpture.com/switching-system-tutorial to understand what option 3 is.

I keep all my pedals in drawers in a rack cabinet behind the amps. This way I have only the fcb1010 under my feet. The MIDI out
from the fcb1010 goes to the effects cabinet which is populated with 6-8 way midi switchers with mostly regular (non-midi) pedals
plugged into them. This was built years ago, ut know you can buy something like a "cheap" BOSS ES-8.... or a Gig Rig system if 
you have the money.

I also use the "DAW approach" using an IPad I already have, and cheap effects plug-ins from the Apple Store. Then stereo out to amps 
or FoH. There is a time delay in this approach which is a problem playing live (or learning), but not when multi-track recording in
your bedroom.