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Re: Volume pedal starts at -db

EJ SHELDON
 

Best FCB Editor is UNO_ControlCenter. Works with the stock chip and UNO.

https://www.fcb1010.uno/

<>$22 and worth every penny!


Re: Volume pedal starts at -db

EJ SHELDON
 

Global Settings>Exp Pedals - set the Exp Pedal to Per Preset. In your HXS Preset, set the level you want the Exp pedal at when the Preset loads and SAVE the Preset. Keep in mind that the FCB Exp Pedal will NOT be at that level - one way communication. You'll have to move the pedal to where the HXS is set before the level will change, but at least you'll have the correct level when the preset loads..


Volume pedal starts at -db

steve alldridge
 

Hi guys I have owned the 1010 for one day and am ok with programming patch changes into my line 6 HX STOMP.
Having calibrated my expression pedals I have assigned the volume pedal to the the output volume of a HX stomp patch.
The issue I have is when I select the patch I need  to move the volume pedal to get any volume. It starts at - volume and the volume pedal needs moving to get any sound no matter where the volume rocker is set.
Does anyone know her way around this?
Also can anyone recommend a good editor for either PC or mac which would make this a lot easier.


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

montesarchiopietro@...
 

I checked and yes...it seems that the problem was the cable...I connected the fcb1010 with a midi out/in cable to my focusrite scarlett 2i4 and the mapping worked properly on cubase 10.5 (pedal 1 address 1, pedal 2 address 2 and so on). It's still not working with Cubase 5 on my other computer (which is the one that I basically use to work) where the midi learn is still sending everything to address 0, but I think that at this point the software is the other problem, since on another computer and software it's working properly.


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

ossandust
 

Most probably a MIDI interface problem (very common with those "cable" type interfaces). MIDI-OX shows a lot of corrupt MIDI messages (for valid MIDI the values in column DATA1 and DATA2 should always be lower than 80 hex, so FE, C0, 80, F0, F8, FF are all invalid values)  


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

EJ SHELDON
 

You're looking at Hex Mode.
See attached screenshot to exit hex mode and get more comprehensible results.


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

montesarchiopietro@...
 

Thank you very much for the very specific answer. I used midiox to see what it could appear by pressing one-by-one 1,2 and 3 and this was the result:


Now I don't understand much of this, but I assigned (manually) 1 to CC 34, 2 to CC 35 and 3 to CC 36. I don't know if it read it properly. 

About the editor: I tried to change the messages in the spreadsheet and send them to the pedalboard, it seemed it was working (the led on the cable for midi in turned on) but when I checked manually, the PC on the channels were always the same as before. Also in doing the opposite way, sending the messages from the fcb1010 to the editor, it always appeared on the spreadsheet the 1,1,1,1,1... setting.


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

montesarchiopietro@...
 

Also, when I try to send the messages to the editor using the procedure as described in the video, I create the new SysEx (the editor also says "received 4 bytes of data") and read it through the editor itself, but the messages for every PC on the spreadsheet view are always on 1,1,1... I don't know if this problem can be related to the other one


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

Chris Astles
 

Do you have any way of seeing the raw MIDI messages that are coming into your computer?

For example, in Studio One there is a MIDI button at the bottom which shows the incoming messages.



If you're seeing the expected messages coming through there, but not in your MIDI Learn, then I'd say it's something which needs tweaking in Cubase.

If the wrong messages are coming through there as well, then I'd suggest double-checking the FCB config.


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

EJ SHELDON
 

Welcome New User!
 
First some info/advice.
 
1) How do you KNOW that your changes took?
You need a MIDI MONITOR. MIDIOX is full featured and FREE:
 
http://www.midiox.com/
 
2) Forget manual programming it's a PITA. Use an editor. This one is FREE:
 
http://www2.mtnsys.com:81/faq-fcb/PCEditorBeta.htm
 
3) However, unless you read HEX, it's MIDI MONITOR won't be much help. Plus, it's ancient and unsupported. This is THE BEST, works with the stock chip as well as the UNO chip, and has usable MIDI MONITOR. It's NOT FREE. Costs <>$22. WORTH EVERY PENNY!
 
https://www.fcb1010.uno/
 
Now to your problem.
 
Most DAWS "listen" on channel 1. When using "Learn" they "hear" the first message received. The FCB sends it's messages in a specific order - PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,CC1,CC2,PC5. When you assign a CC, you also need to UN-assign the default PC1 or that's what "learn" will "hear".
 
That should solve your problem.
 
Additional note: When sending messages to VSTs, use a different MIDI channel, for instance CH2. That prevents the DAW from reacting inadvertently to a message meant for the VST.


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

rmilby@...
 

I'm a newb as well, I feel your pain.

You said "I changed the PC messages with different numbers" but the MIDI learn function is usually reliable - so I suspect that you have not saved the changes by doing  "Exit PRESET programming mode through keeping the DOWN/ESCAPE key"
for a few seconds" as in "2.4.2 Programming switches" in the manual.


It seem a long press of
the DOWN/ESCAPE key is required after any change.

Please remember that I am new, and Ms. CJA and others in this group are far more reliable than I.

Oh, here is a video that the user Steve Beukema made just so he could remember ONE basic programming task
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIcCRHLwDJE
I found it helpful, and some reassurance that I am not the first person to struggle with this.
Good Luck, let us know if you resolve this.
-Rob


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

montesarchiopietro@...
 

Yes, I can confirm that at the first try the unit was in the factory setting. Then I changed the PC messages with different numbers for each pedal, but again the result from the midi learn was always the same, with address 0 for any pedal. 


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

Chris Astles
 

Just to clarify, each preset sends a customisable combination of PC and CC messages.

If you want the response to be "Prog. Change - MIDI Ch. 1 - Address <something different>", then use the above link to change the PC messages.

If you want Cubase to respond to your CC messages, I'm not too sure specifically about Cubase, but in my DAW CC messages are only "listened to" by virtual instruments.

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 11:28, Chris Astles <cjastles@...> wrote:
It's been a while since I've had my unit in factory settings, but I believe that "out of the box" all of the presets send a PC message on address 0. This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNND5nMWhc&t=790s explains perfectly how to assign the addresses of the PC messages.

Hope this helps.


On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 11:13 , <montesarchiopietro@...> wrote:
Hello everyone.
I am new to this group and I'm glad to join this FCB1010 community. I bought my FCB1010 last month, and I'm trying to map it with Cubase 5. The problem is that when I try to do it with the generic remote device control, every time I press a pedal with midi learn it always brings it to "Prog. Change - MIDI Ch. 1 - Address 0", the same for each pedal, even if I set different CCs manually for each preset. Of course sending all the messages to Address 0, the pedalboard doesn't communicate with Cubase and doesn't do the things I want to do (basically for me, mute and unmute the different midi channels). The FCB1010 is linked to the computer with a cable midi in/out - usb. Can you help me with this? Thank you in advance!


Re: NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

Chris Astles
 

It's been a while since I've had my unit in factory settings, but I believe that "out of the box" all of the presets send a PC message on address 0. This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNND5nMWhc&t=790s explains perfectly how to assign the addresses of the PC messages.

Hope this helps.


On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 11:13 , <montesarchiopietro@...> wrote:
Hello everyone.
I am new to this group and I'm glad to join this FCB1010 community. I bought my FCB1010 last month, and I'm trying to map it with Cubase 5. The problem is that when I try to do it with the generic remote device control, every time I press a pedal with midi learn it always brings it to "Prog. Change - MIDI Ch. 1 - Address 0", the same for each pedal, even if I set different CCs manually for each preset. Of course sending all the messages to Address 0, the pedalboard doesn't communicate with Cubase and doesn't do the things I want to do (basically for me, mute and unmute the different midi channels). The FCB1010 is linked to the computer with a cable midi in/out - usb. Can you help me with this? Thank you in advance!


NEW USER - Problems with FCB1010 mapping Cubase 5

montesarchiopietro@...
 

Hello everyone.
I am new to this group and I'm glad to join this FCB1010 community. I bought my FCB1010 last month, and I'm trying to map it with Cubase 5. The problem is that when I try to do it with the generic remote device control, every time I press a pedal with midi learn it always brings it to "Prog. Change - MIDI Ch. 1 - Address 0", the same for each pedal, even if I set different CCs manually for each preset. Of course sending all the messages to Address 0, the pedalboard doesn't communicate with Cubase and doesn't do the things I want to do (basically for me, mute and unmute the different midi channels). The FCB1010 is linked to the computer with a cable midi in/out - usb. Can you help me with this? Thank you in advance!


Re: New Owner using SooperLooper under Linux

rmilby@...
 

Ashley -
I really liked "By the time it matters to you, you'll have your answer!", and I do understand. I always have to push myself to dive into things as a part of learning.

You have given me a better idea about how I might use the banks. I think I will be more of a "soundscape" performer than a "cover artist".
btw, I am in awe of Randolf Arriola - and yes, I am sitting at the home city of the Y2K International Live Looping Festival mentioned in the Ted Talk.

I have already made SooperLooper work by teaching it to take midi  notes from my keyboard and start, and I have gotten some help at 


I am in the middle of programing bank 1 to send "note on" commands, so I can let SL learn them  and experiment with actually looping instead of sitting and staring at manuals of SL. FCB1010 and Echoplex (recommended by Jesse http://essej.net/sooperlooper/index.html)

Thank you for taking the time to post, and for your encouragement.

- Rob


Re: New Owner using SooperLooper under Linux

Ashley J Gittins
 

Hi Rob!

Fellow linux user here :-)

Sooperlooper:
==========

The key sooperlooper bindings I use are:

- record (the main "let's start/stop laying down a loop)

- mute_trigger (as a "dear god, stop!" sort of deal, and to restart a loop from the beginning)

- overdub (for laying down another part on top of an existing loop)

- undo and redo (good for removing then re-applying overdubs, say for a breakdown)

I'd start off with just using a single loop and the above bindings, get used to things that way, with overdubbing parts, adding/removing sections etc.

Once you get comfortable with that, you can then think about whether you need multiple loops or not for more complicated pieces, and whether you would prefer to use dedicated pedals for each loop, or use the select_next_loop binding to control loops one by one with the same set of pedals. I'm not at that point yet, myself :-)

Banks
=====

For sure, just assume that 10 keys are enough. By the time it matters to you, you'll have your answer :-)

It all comes down to how you want to work. Some people like having each button act like a single guitar pedal, and they select from those pedals to create their sound. This works well for someone who has "their own sound" or likes to keep it simple, say. Others might spend a lot of time crafting individual sounds for different songs - say if doing lots of covers and you want to really nail the particular sounds on each song - so you might have a different bank per "artist", so all your David Gilmour patches are on one (or three) banks, another bank has your BB King sounds, another five banks for Jeff Beck... you get the idea. There's no "right" way, just ways that work right for you.

SysEx dumps
==========

For recording SysEx, your observations re amidi requiring -p hw:2,0 sounds correct, as amidi deals with alsa RAWMidi ports (hardware ports?) not regular alsa midi ports (cooked ports which include software and hardware ports). I might be a bit off with my terminology there. If you look in the graph in qjackctrl, does it show amidi is connected to your midi interface when it's running in dump mode? (It's possible the graph might not show you anything helpful from midi land, ymmv).

When you have amidi running in dump mode it should show any pedal presses you do even if not in sysex mode.

I think the first step is to verify if amidi is receiving normal midi messages from your FCB, then after you've established that, try sending your sysex dump (note that dump mode in amidi just means "dump midi output to screen" and is nothing to do with SysEx mode specifically - you probably know that but thought I'd point it out just in case). 

Hope that helps!

---
Regards,

Ashley J Gittins
https://ajg.net.au/


On 2020-12-13 07:37, rmilby@... wrote:

Greetings!

I recently bought a used Behringer FCB1010 and am learning to program it, slowly... with the help of this very well done youtube video from "In The Mix"

Behringer FCB1010 Full Tutorial / Video Manual

And the confusing manual https://mediadl.musictribe.com/media/sys_master/hc5/h29/8850023383070.pdf

I am using SooperLooper under Linux, QjackCTL, command line midisnoop, and other Ubuntu Studio apps.
Programming this thing is not that easy, but frankly I am having more difficulty understanding
  • which superlooper functions I need  to get started ( sooperlooper forum helps with that)
  • why I should care about multiple banks - aren't 10 switches enough?

Does anyone have experience getting a sysex dump to amidi to work?
Studio7010:...~$ pmidi -l
 Port     Client name                       Port name
 14:0     Midi Through                      Midi Through Port-0
 20:0     AudioBox USB                      AudioBox USB MIDI 1
 24:0     M Audio Audiophile 24/96          M Audio Audiophile 24/96 MIDI
128:0     Client-128                        qjackctl
Studio7010:...~$ amidi -l
Dir Device    Name
IO  hw:1,0,0  AudioBox USB MIDI 1
IO  hw:2,0    M Audio Audiophile 24/96 MIDI
Studio7010:...~$ amidi -p hw:2,0 -d

amidi will not run with -p 24:0  and when I start it as shown, and use the instructions in the manual 2.7.1 Saving the FCB1010 memory with the help of
SysEx dumps
the fcb1010 switch # 6 LED does not light up, and amidi is left hanging.
Note: My midi cables are connected and I can see midi messages in midisnoop. I have a midi keyboard on FCB1010 midi in

Any thoughts?

Cheers   -Rob

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Re: Dead pedal switch

rmilby@...
 

Sanity check:  the switch fails in self test?

If it passes self test, you may have a programming error, like it is trying to toggle switch 1 relay  instead of sending a message.

-Rob


New Owner using SooperLooper under Linux

rmilby@...
 
Edited

Greetings!

I recently bought a used Behringer FCB1010 and am learning to program it, slowly... with the help of this very well done youtube video from "In The Mix"

Behringer FCB1010 Full Tutorial / Video Manual

And the confusing manual https://mediadl.musictribe.com/media/sys_master/hc5/h29/8850023383070.pdf

I am using SooperLooper under Linux, QjackCTL, command line midisnoop, and other Ubuntu Studio apps.
Programming this thing is not that easy, but frankly I am having more difficulty understanding
  • which superlooper functions I need  to get started ( sooperlooper forum helps with that)
  • why I should care about multiple banks - aren't 10 switches enough?

Does anyone have experience getting a sysex dump to amidi to work?
Studio7010:...~$ pmidi -l
 Port     Client name                       Port name
 14:0     Midi Through                      Midi Through Port-0
 20:0     AudioBox USB                      AudioBox USB MIDI 1
 24:0     M Audio Audiophile 24/96          M Audio Audiophile 24/96 MIDI
128:0     Client-128                        qjackctl
Studio7010:...~$ amidi -l
Dir Device    Name
IO  hw:1,0,0  AudioBox USB MIDI 1
IO  hw:2,0    M Audio Audiophile 24/96 MIDI
Studio7010:...~$ amidi -p hw:2,0 -d

amidi will not run with -p 24:0  and when I start it as shown, and use the instructions in the manual 2.7.1 Saving the FCB1010 memory with the help of
SysEx dumps
the fcb1010 switch # 6 LED does not light up, and amidi is left hanging.
Note: My midi cables are connected and I can see midi messages in midisnoop. I have a midi keyboard on FCB1010 midi in

Any thoughts?

Cheers   -Rob

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[update by rmilby]
I gave up on amidi, but I managed to get a sysdump
$ arecordmidi --port=14:0 dump.txt
$ ls -l dump.txt
-rw-rw-r-- 1 rob rob 2433 Dec 12 14:43 dump.txt
$ cat dump.txt | xxd

Also midisnoop was able to capture it, and to my surprise formatted the output, but it has no ability to send the output to a file.
I am done for now.


Re: GUIDE TO THE FCB1010

chrisw_63
 

The wording of your post leads me to believe you are involved with the 'article' in some way.  I'll post some criticisms that you can 'forward' to the author.

The guide doesn't cover half of what the FCB1010 can do, is overly simplistic in what it does cover, and will simply not work for an amazing number of MIDI devices.  It doesn't mention 'Omni' mode - a mode a lot of devices have that tells it to listen to any and all MIDI channels. A section near the top starts, "To set the MIDI channel on your FCB1010..."  The MIDI channel, as if it has only one.  It doesn't mention that the FCB1010 has separate MIDI channels for PC, Note, and CC messages, and another for the Expression pedals which it does mention further down.  It doesn't mention that the FCB1010, and most MIDI devices, come from the factory set to MIDI channel 1, or, if they have it, Omni mode.  Specifically, if they're using MIDI channel 1, they don't have to set the FCB's MIDI channels at all. If the device they're using the FCB1010 with has Omni mode, they don't have to worry about setting that channel, either.  Not to mention that finding the MIDI channel setting in some of those things is a mind-numbing task.

Oh, and speaking of programming, it doesn't mention that you should Factory Reset the FCB1010 before starting to program it for the first time.  It saves a lot of headaches.  If by chance it has issues, a factory reset will either fix it, or, if the reset fails, let you know to pack it back up and return it for a replacement.

One part details how to "program the 1 button to select preset 23 on your MIDI gear."  No mention is made of selecting a bank.  In fact, there is no mention of banks at all until 'More Advanced Steps' much further down the document.  Not all MIDI devices have presets, not all devices that have presets use PC messages to set them.  And if they do, PC 23 may be invalid or not correspond to preset 23 on the device.  Yes, I realize this is just an example, but you need to specify that.

Next it goes on to detail programming Expression pedal A, and concludes with: "You have now programmed the FCB1010 to use Expression Pedal A for volume control."
     No.
     No they have not.
Aside from the primary glaring error that no mention was made of selecting a preset first, it doesn't mention that they're programming a preset at all.  And they haven't programmed the expression pedal because the must select the preset they did actually program before the expression pedal will be set to that configuration.  Nor is there any mention at all that each preset can set the expression pedals to a different configuration.

And one last comment:  What is a '1/4″ sorting jack' ?  I assume it's a typo that meant 'shorting' jack.  But even that is overly specific and inaccurate.  Many devices that have external switch jacks don't use shorting jacks.  They cost more and lead to more repairs when the shorting contact wears out or gets dirty.  Instead, they just reverse the 'logic' so that open is off, and closed is on, so they can use regular TS jacks without the shorting contact.  A simple tweak that saves them ten cents per jack and some warranty repairs?  Yeah.. no brainer...  Adding words to make the document sound more official almost always fails.  And mostly is just another place to make a mistake.

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