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Re: Help With EurekaProm and Ableton

ossandust
 

FYI : FCB/UnOControlCenter doesn't work for the EurekaProm, only for Behringer and UnO firmware


Re: Help With EurekaProm and Ableton

Michael McInerney <mickiemac@...>
 

Thanks Kevin! That’s amazing – Looks like all I need.

Michael

 

From: main@fcb1010.groups.io <main@fcb1010.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Lague
Sent: Sunday, 7 March 2021 3:39 PM
To: main@fcb1010.groups.io
Subject: Re: [fcb1010] Help With EurekaProm and Ableton

 

I was doing this exact thing this weekend.

 

Found this: https://www.fcb1010.uno/ (way easier to use than programming everything with your feet, a la the video below; definitely worth the price)

 

and this  https://github.com/format19/FCB1010/releases/tag/Rev3 in conjunction  with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcIAuzh11jY (shows you how to get the board and Ableton set up together)

 

I factory reset my board to use exclusively with Ableton; not sure if you're going to want to do that with the EurekaPROM. 

 

In that case, you may not want/need https://www.fcb1010.uno/. Just get into Ableton and map whatever you want from the FCB1010's MIDI messages! (click MIDI button in upper right of Ableton; you'll see an overlay; click the setting you want to pair with the FCB1010; then tap the FCB1010 switch you want to use for that setting)

 

 

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 4:17 PM Michael McInerney <mickiemac@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

 

Does anyone have a simple way that they could share how to setup FCB 1010 with a EurekaProm into Ableton. I want to use it to control things like starting and stopping loops, freezing reverb, record. Things like that. Any and all help appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Michael

 

Michael McInerney Music Therapy

 



--

Kevin Lague
608.440.3805


Re: Help With EurekaProm and Ableton

Kevin Lague
 

I was doing this exact thing this weekend.

Found this: https://www.fcb1010.uno/ (way easier to use than programming everything with your feet, a la the video below; definitely worth the price)

and this  https://github.com/format19/FCB1010/releases/tag/Rev3 in conjunction  with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcIAuzh11jY (shows you how to get the board and Ableton set up together)

I factory reset my board to use exclusively with Ableton; not sure if you're going to want to do that with the EurekaPROM. 

In that case, you may not want/need https://www.fcb1010.uno/. Just get into Ableton and map whatever you want from the FCB1010's MIDI messages! (click MIDI button in upper right of Ableton; you'll see an overlay; click the setting you want to pair with the FCB1010; then tap the FCB1010 switch you want to use for that setting)


On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 4:17 PM Michael McInerney <mickiemac@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

 

Does anyone have a simple way that they could share how to setup FCB 1010 with a EurekaProm into Ableton. I want to use it to control things like starting and stopping loops, freezing reverb, record. Things like that. Any and all help appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Michael

 

Michael McInerney Music Therapy

 



--
Kevin Lague
608.440.3805


Re: Help with simple start stop programming

walfried@...
 

Thank you all for the help, I ordered the uno2 chip yesterday, as soon as it arrives I will test it.
Thanks again.


Re: Help with simple start stop programming

Jack Fenton
 

Ah yes, it supports Start, Stop and Continue but it looks like only the TinyBox supports MIDI clock.


Re: Help with simple start stop programming

uno@...
 

I use these messages successfully in UnO2:

  • SendRealtime MIDIClock 110 BPM
  • SendRealtime MIDIStop
  • SendRealtime MIDIStart

Works great!


Re: Help with simple start stop programming

Jack Fenton
 

I don't think even UNO2 can send these messages.  Message that can be sent are
- Note ON Note Off
- CC
- Program Change
- SysEX
The message you are talking about are transport messages. The only pedal I can think of that can do this is the Nektar Pacer. There may be other.
You would need to run your FCB-1010 to some sort of translator to get the messages you want.

I DID put a request in for UNO2 to add "RAW" messages (without the F0 F7).  I would think it wouldn't be too hard but who knows.




Re: Help with simple start stop programming

rmilby@...
 

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 09:06 PM, <walfried@...> wrote:
System Real-Time Message
MIDI Implementation Version: 1.00
1.Receive Data
System Real-Time Message
Timing ClockStatus     F8H
StartStatus                  FAH
ContinueStatus            FBH
StopStatus                   FCH
Active SensingStatus   FEH

Yikes!  You said  "any help is appreciated"  ...
In your post I could not read "
System Real-Time Message" which for our purposes, and int the manual, are Control Change (CC) Messages.
The values above are hexidecimal  F8H , is the hexidecimal number F8, or 0xf8 if you are a programmer.
In some midi table it would be shown as 1111 1000  the binary codes for F & 8 

I think others will be better able to help you with programming. You could help by letting us know if you have found the manual https://www.behringer.com/downloads.html, and seen the programming video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNND5nMWhc

Learning to program this thing can be challenging. I have my pedal connected to my Linux computer, and I have a program "midisnoop"  that can monitor the messages. It made finding my mistakes much easier.

I'm afraid that is not  the quick answer you hoped for, but I hope it helps.


Help With EurekaProm and Ableton

Michael McInerney <mickiemac@...>
 

Hi Everyone,

 

Does anyone have a simple way that they could share how to setup FCB 1010 with a EurekaProm into Ableton. I want to use it to control things like starting and stopping loops, freezing reverb, record. Things like that. Any and all help appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Michael

 

Michael McInerney Music Therapy

 


Help with simple start stop programming

walfried@...
 

Hi all,
I want to control (Start-Stop)a simple metronome (Boss DB-90) with the FCB1010.
It only has the following mentioned in the manual.

System Real-Time Message

Timing Clock Status    F8H

 

Start Status                  FAH

 

Continue Status           FBH

 

Stop Status                  FCH

 

Active Sensing Status  FEH

How can I program the FCB1010 to do this I'm a newby in midi and FCB1010 any help is appriciated .

Kind regards

Walfried


Re: SOLVED! Re: fcb1010 stays in 88 after SEND SETUP from UnO2 Control Center

ossandust
 

ok, thanks for the bug report, Christopher. I will look into this as soon as possible, the good thing is that you found a way to work around it for now. 


SOLVED! Re: fcb1010 stays in 88 after SEND SETUP from UnO2 Control Center

uno@...
 

Hey Christopher,

your answer led me to the solution! It seems like the first Bank must not send any Midi & Wait Controls, because that will somehow put the fcb1010 into a 88-deadlock right after sending the setup, when it tries to initialize Bank 01.
So my walkaround is to simply add an EMPTY first bank without any INIT_BANK, and only start my Bank setup with Bank 02. At least for my needs, this is acceptable. :-)

Thanks a lot for all the quick answers, you guys are awesome!


Re: fcb1010 stays in 88 after SEND SETUP from UnO2 Control Center

Jack Fenton
 

No, it was just a guess.  I think in the Uno2 manual it says to have MIDI thru disabled when sending a configuration.  Maybe I'm wrong though. I'm not having any issues in programming my FCB1010 and I never have MIDI thru enabled (except when I tested it for compatibility on the web UNO2). In that I had to have MIDI thru set for it to pass the UNO2 test.


Re: fcb1010 stays in 88 after SEND SETUP from UnO2 Control Center

Christopher Masto
 

Here's a relatively short test case that causes the same symptoms on mine:

// trigger crash after send setup

TRIGGERS = 
{
   Switch1
}

BANKS = 
{
   oops : Switch1 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | 
}

CHANNEL c = 13

INIT_BANK oops = {
   SendMidi c CtrlChange 30 127
   Wait 1
   SendMidi c CtrlChange 30 0   
}

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:42 PM Christopher Masto <chris@...> wrote:
This might be the same bug I found a whole back and totally forgot to report.. sorry! I am trying to remember the trigger, but I know it had to do with sends and waits on initialization. 


On Feb 23, 2021, at 5:41 PM, uno@... wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

Hi ossandust
10

,

The MIDI interface is a Steinberg UR22, and usually it's pretty good.
Thanks a lot for your offer to take a look at the setup file. I attached it to this answer.
<oo_210222_BlackBox.txt>


Re: fcb1010 stays in 88 after SEND SETUP from UnO2 Control Center

Christopher Masto
 

This might be the same bug I found a whole back and totally forgot to report.. sorry! I am trying to remember the trigger, but I know it had to do with sends and waits on initialization. 


On Feb 23, 2021, at 5:41 PM, uno@... wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

Hi ossandust
10

,

The MIDI interface is a Steinberg UR22, and usually it's pretty good.
Thanks a lot for your offer to take a look at the setup file. I attached it to this answer.
<oo_210222_BlackBox.txt>


Re: fcb1010 stays in 88 after SEND SETUP from UnO2 Control Center

uno@...
 
Edited

Hi ossandust
10

,

The MIDI interface is a Steinberg UR22, and usually it's pretty good.
Thanks a lot for your offer to take a look at the setup file. I attached it to this answer.


Re: fcb1010 stays in 88 after SEND SETUP from UnO2 Control Center

uno@...
 

Hey Jack - do you mean in the MIDI monitor? There MIDI IN -->   --> MIDI OUT is not active.
But I liked your thought, so I tried to deactive MIDI THRU in the Global Configuration of the fcb1010 - just to find out I cannot enter it any more?!? 
At least not by holding DOWN when switching on. Is there a different way to enter Global Configuration with the UnO2?


Re: fcb1010 stays in 88 after SEND SETUP from UnO2 Control Center

Jack Fenton
 

Maybe you have MIDI Thru set up on your FCB 1010.  Turn it off in Uno2 Control Center. It will cause a nasty MIDI loop (I believe) if you have it on while sending the configuration.


Re: fcb1010 stays in 88 after SEND SETUP from UnO2 Control Center

ossandust
 

The UnO2 firmware shows "88" when it starts receiving a patchdump, and shows the current bank number (normally 01) when the setup is loaded. If you send me your setup I can check if has an issue which can cause it not to be loaded correctly. Else it's an issue with the MIDI-USB interface (although I would expect the editor to detect that)


fcb1010 stays in 88 after SEND SETUP from UnO2 Control Center

uno@...
 

I have to turn off an on the fcb1010 after every SEND SETUP, then it works, again, so the setup was obviously sent correctly.
I have tried a RESET on the fcb1010 as well, but that had no effect.
Can anyone help? Anybody with the same problem?

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