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Re: FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation

EJ SHELDON
 

Reason I said to use standalone was to test your sysex ITRW, without the intermediary of Studio One.
Come back when you're ready, I'll be here!


Re: FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation

Antonio Díaz
 

Don't worry bro. I just can't get this thing to work. Standalone is great to have some fun but I just wanted to record it. I guess I'll purcharse Uno_controlcenter when I have some money spare and will give it a try. I hope it works then.

I really appreciate ALL your comments, efforts and general attitude. This is the old Internet I used to love.

Big hug to every motherf***** rockers out there!


De: main@fcb1010.groups.io <main@fcb1010.groups.io> en nombre de EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...>
Enviado: martes, 5 de octubre de 2021 19:37
Para: main@fcb1010.groups.io <main@fcb1010.groups.io>
Asunto: Re: [fcb1010] FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation
 
Just re-installed the Studio One trial, to see if I could get Amplitube working for you.
Now I remember why I hated Studio One - the Demo version is crippled, won't allow 3rd party plugins.
Automatic rejection!


Re: FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation

EJ SHELDON
 

Just re-installed the Studio One trial, to see if I could get Amplitube working for you.
Now I remember why I hated Studio One - the Demo version is crippled, won't allow 3rd party plugins.
Automatic rejection!


Re: FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation

EJ SHELDON
 

Suggestions:

1) Get a MIDI Monitor so you can see exactly what the FCB is sending. You THINK you got a proper sysex transfer, but did you really?
    UNO_ControlCenter has one built in. Just sayin'.

2) Get Amplitube working in standalone mode BEFORE adding the complication of Studio One.

I can help you with the standalone version, and afterwards using Amplitube in Reaper, Ableton or Cakewalk, but I don't use Studio One (tried it, hated it).


Re: FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation

EJ SHELDON
 

v1.0.2f does not work properly with the free editors. I know because that's the version I had (before UNO2).
Get UNO_ControlCenter PAID version.
RTM. It's EXCELLENT!
Create and transmit a sysex.
IF FAIL THEN
it's probably the MIDI Interface.
iConnectivity MIO works great. Many others also, but it's a crapshoot.

You need CC#s for the STOMP buttons. By default, Amplitube uses values of 0 = ON;127 = OFF.
This is the reverse of the way everybody else does it. It can be changed, but not Globally, therefore a PITA.
Make sure that your Exp Pedal settings are included in EVERY Preset, including the STOMPS.
The Exp Pedals won't work unless you first press a button (STOMP or PRESET) which has them assigned.
Unlike previous versions of Amplitube, v5 does not provide Global settings for FX Bypass.
Each effect in each preset has to be set manually. PITA.
I asked them about that. They don't care enough to even respond.

Attached is the .lgp (UNO_ControlCenter) version of the AT3 sysex.


Re: FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation

Antonio Díaz
 

Thanks! This was probably one of the issues I'm facing, yeah. Totally MIDI-noob.

Now it seems I have been able to load properly a sysex, but when I open Studio One, which use it's my main objective, I have found very strange MIDI monitoring messages:

When I press any switch, the descripcion says it's a Controller Modulation [127] AND Controller Modulation [0], which, AFAIK, are max and min values, and when I press expression pedals, I see "Controller Poly Mode OnOff [0-127]".

This does not seem to be a desirable scenario...


Re: FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation

Jack Fenton
 

If you are working on Windows it is very important to only have 1 MIDI application open at a given time as applications cannot share MIDI ports on Windows PC. This is likely the issue you are facing.


Re: FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation

Antonio Díaz
 

Thanks man.

I don't know what's wrong with my MIDI editors: they hang constantly, report MIDI out or in error... Even the official one says now there's something wrong with MIDI out... So I have not been able the file you kindly attached.

I guess I have been messing around too much with this thing, since now it's working (almost) properly with Amplitube 5 standalone but when I check out Studio One MIDI activity, it is registering PC's, not CC's (which are the needed instructions, am I wrong?).

Since this seems to be too much for me, let me please just one more question: when I purchase the official MIDI editor, will I be able to setup to make it work properly via Studio One since mi FW is finally 1.0.2f? If this is just doable, I will buy it soon.

And THANKS!!! 


Re: Compatible MIDI - USB adapters

mangsong
 

Thanks.  I also have the slightly newer Roland UM-1G (Branded Cakewalk) and will test and advise. 

On Oct 4, 2021, at 4:47 PM, EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:

My point was that it might work fine with other editors. You should test it here:

UnO2 (fcb1010.eu)

If it passes, at worst you have a viable and portable alternative/backup for the Clarett.


Re: Compatible MIDI - USB adapters

EJ SHELDON
 

My point was that it might work fine with other editors. You should test it here:

UnO2 (fcb1010.eu)

If it passes, at worst you have a viable and portable alternative/backup for the Clarett.


Re: Compatible MIDI - USB adapters

mangsong
 

You know, I didn’t look it up - just anticipated it would work as MIDI is a vintage protocol.  So there’s some more learning.  Thanks.

On Oct 4, 2021, at 2:25 PM, EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:

The UM-ONE MkII is listed in the compatibility db as working with Win7 and v1.0.2f, and with OSX with 1.0.2f and 1.0.3.
IDK what was being used here, but IME the Ed Dixon Editor (MtnSystems) was a PITA with any interface.


Re: Compatible MIDI - USB adapters

EJ SHELDON
 

The UM-ONE MkII is listed in the compatibility db as working with Win7 and v1.0.2f, and with OSX with 1.0.2f and 1.0.3.
IDK what was being used here, but IME the Ed Dixon Editor (MtnSystems) was a PITA with any interface.


Re: Compatible MIDI - USB adapters

mangsong
 

I am new 1010 owner (V2.5), and was grappling with this very issue.  My Roland UM-ONE was recognized in the FCB1010 Manager selection field, but the sysex data was not received - either way.

I finally rerouted thru the Clarett 8-pre, and presto, success!

I’ve used the UM-ONE for years to connect my iPad and other synths for real time messaging without any issues.

Who knew?  We all do now.

On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:07 PM, cem engin via groups.io <cemengin911@...> wrote:

Yes, I have two of them as well, bought separately and very far away from each other, but they all look exactly the same... Yet one does work and the other one is very moody! But mostly doesn't work! They are for sure from China...

So not very dependable I am afraid...

On Monday, October 4, 2021, 09:09:40 PM GMT+3, Strumboli via groups.io <peter.lowndes@...> wrote:


I'm new to the FCB1010 although my IT background means it's not a problem programming the presets and can control various midi devices from the FCB1010. So why am I posting? Well, there are some issues that I'm hoping someone can help me with. The FCB1010 is unmodified and has the original v 2.5 eprom. Tests 1 - 3 below were done using the useful Un02 Midi Monitor app (v 1.0.6)
  1. ExpA doesn't output any values and doesn't send any midi signals when operated.
  2. ExpB only outputs the start or end of the configured range, nothing in between even when moved slowly
  3. Although the foot pedals all produce the expected results and midi commends sent from the monitor out are all echoed on the midi in display, the test function returns "An invalid version response was received" or "A timeout occured during the version request."
  4.  I also tried using the FCB1010 Manger software but couldn't get it to accept a sysex from the FCB1010 after following the on screen nstructions.
It's possible that my midi-usb adapter isn't up to the job but I can't find a list of known compatible adapters. Here's the one I'm using
<midi-usb.jpg>
I tried all the above from my Mac (Mac mini intel cpu) and my Windows 10 laptop. There were seprate problems on the Mac where the Chrome browser blocked some midi i/o but the tests on the Windows laptop were done after Chrome had been uninstalled and the laptop rebooted. So looking forward to realising the potential of the FCB1010 that attracted me in the first place and upgrading to a Un02 is my aim at the moment.
<midi-usb.jpg>


Re: Compatible MIDI - USB adapters

Danne Jörgensen
 

hi 
I recognize the problem 
I had 2 pieces of the same MIDI-USB adapter that you have 
One worked the other gave the same error message that you get.  
So my conclusion is that the problem lies in the midi-USB adapter

Danne

4 okt. 2021 kl. 21:10 skrev EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...>:

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 01:07 PM, cem engin wrote:
So not very dependable I am afraid...
 
But cheap! ;-)


Re: Compatible MIDI - USB adapters

EJ SHELDON
 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 01:07 PM, cem engin wrote:
So not very dependable I am afraid...
 
But cheap! ;-)


Re: Compatible MIDI - USB adapters

cem engin
 

Yes, I have two of them as well, bought separately and very far away from each other, but they all look exactly the same... Yet one does work and the other one is very moody! But mostly doesn't work! They are for sure from China...

So not very dependable I am afraid...

On Monday, October 4, 2021, 09:09:40 PM GMT+3, Strumboli via groups.io <peter.lowndes@...> wrote:


I'm new to the FCB1010 although my IT background means it's not a problem programming the presets and can control various midi devices from the FCB1010. So why am I posting? Well, there are some issues that I'm hoping someone can help me with. The FCB1010 is unmodified and has the original v 2.5 eprom. Tests 1 - 3 below were done using the useful Un02 Midi Monitor app (v 1.0.6)
  1. ExpA doesn't output any values and doesn't send any midi signals when operated.
  2. ExpB only outputs the start or end of the configured range, nothing in between even when moved slowly
  3. Although the foot pedals all produce the expected results and midi commends sent from the monitor out are all echoed on the midi in display, the test function returns "An invalid version response was received" or "A timeout occured during the version request."
  4.  I also tried using the FCB1010 Manger software but couldn't get it to accept a sysex from the FCB1010 after following the on screen nstructions.
It's possible that my midi-usb adapter isn't up to the job but I can't find a list of known compatible adapters. Here's the one I'm using

I tried all the above from my Mac (Mac mini intel cpu) and my Windows 10 laptop. There were seprate problems on the Mac where the Chrome browser blocked some midi i/o but the tests on the Windows laptop were done after Chrome had been uninstalled and the laptop rebooted. So looking forward to realising the potential of the FCB1010 that attracted me in the first place and upgrading to a Un02 is my aim at the moment.


Re: Compatible MIDI - USB adapters

EJ SHELDON
 

What editor are you using? The only way to know for sure what's happening is to configure a sysex in an editor and send it to the FCB.
If the send fails (maybe the editor will tell you that), then it's likely a problem with the interface.
Don't forget to enable sysex on the FCB before attempting the send (RTM).
I have two, exactly identical to the one pictured, probably made in the same Chinese factory. One passes sysex, the other doesn't.
My recommendations - get the iConnectivity MIO interface. It just works, and will work with UNO2 also - mine does.
If you're going to stick with the stock chip, get UNO_ControlCenter Editor. For $22, it's the best, and worth every penny.
If you're planning on switching to UNO2, just go for it! It's a great chip!
The website allows you to test your interface to see if it's compatible with UNO2. The one I mentioned (as pictured) that worked with the regular UNO chip failed, which is when I bought the MIO.


Compatible MIDI - USB adapters

Strumboli
 

I'm new to the FCB1010 although my IT background means it's not a problem programming the presets and can control various midi devices from the FCB1010. So why am I posting? Well, there are some issues that I'm hoping someone can help me with. The FCB1010 is unmodified and has the original v 2.5 eprom. Tests 1 - 3 below were done using the useful Un02 Midi Monitor app (v 1.0.6)
  1. ExpA doesn't output any values and doesn't send any midi signals when operated.
  2. ExpB only outputs the start or end of the configured range, nothing in between even when moved slowly
  3. Although the foot pedals all produce the expected results and midi commends sent from the monitor out are all echoed on the midi in display, the test function returns "An invalid version response was received" or "A timeout occured during the version request."
  4.  I also tried using the FCB1010 Manger software but couldn't get it to accept a sysex from the FCB1010 after following the on screen nstructions.
It's possible that my midi-usb adapter isn't up to the job but I can't find a list of known compatible adapters. Here's the one I'm using

I tried all the above from my Mac (Mac mini intel cpu) and my Windows 10 laptop. There were seprate problems on the Mac where the Chrome browser blocked some midi i/o but the tests on the Windows laptop were done after Chrome had been uninstalled and the laptop rebooted. So looking forward to realising the potential of the FCB1010 that attracted me in the first place and upgrading to a Un02 is my aim at the moment.


Re: FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation

EJ SHELDON
 

If you're UNO chip is 1.0.2 (NOT 1.0.2f) then the other editors MIGHT work.
I recommend UNO_ControlCenter because it's the best, written by the creator of the UNO chip, and the easiest to use by far.

I'll attach the .syx version. It didn't import properly to the Ed Dixon Editor, but that could be because I don't have an FCB connected, and the UNO options are greyed out.
I'll also attach a screenshot of the spreadsheet view. You MIGHT be able to use it to re-create the .syx in whatever editor you're using.

When you decide that you're ready to get the editor that I (and most everybody else here) recommends, let me know and I'll send the .lgp (Uno_ControlCenter) version.


Re: FCB1010 first steps w/UnO chip and total desesperation

Antonio Díaz
 
Edited

Thank you, dudes.

By "MIDI interface" you mean the cable? Sorry for my noobness.... I`m using a MIDI/USB cable made by Otraki. It seems to save and transmits sysex messages properly.

Would you mind to share that custom sysex for Amplitube, please? If I have to purchase UNO_ControlCenter I will of course, but I have been using other MIDI editors and I don't understand why this UNO_ControlCenter is needed.

Thanks!

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