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Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

Jack Fenton
 

Hi, Josef,

Do you have a link?

TIA


Re: FCB1010 running two different set-ups...Can I switch easily?

chrisw_63
 

Wow.. I had this whole long thing written up about how you might be able to make this work.  Then I found the V-Amp documentation.  It uses a set number of CC messages, PC messages, and can use SYSEX for programming patches (***See Below).  It does not use Notes.   Bias FX doesn't use specific MIDI messages - it can use whatever you tell it, and it has MIDI Learn, which is nice.  The reason I'm going into all this is unless you want to manually swap (cables, power switches, whatever) between the two, you really need different MIDI commands for each.

Easy part first. So the CC messages V-Amp doesn't use (and aren't predefined in the MIDI spec) are 28-31 and 102-119 (numbers are in decimal).  It might also be able to use Note messages as commands - I couldn't find anything about it in the manual.  That gives you 21 CC's you can use to control Bias FX.  If that's enough, Great!  (If not, see if Note messages will work.)  Just pick the banks and foot switches you want to use (and aren't being used by the V-Amp settings, of course) and program the FCB1010 with those.  Go to the Bias FX screen, right click on a control you want, find MIDI Learn in the menu, hit the foot switch you want to use. Done. Next.

Now the fun part.  I'm guessing you want to use the two continuous pedals.  You might think you can program them the same for both.  After all, CC #7 is predefined in the MIDI Standard as Channel Volume, and the V-amp uses it that way.  Changing volume won't hurt anything, right?  Well if V-Amp is still in the signal path, you would end up with two different things controlling the volume at the same time.  Not a good thing.  Same for CC #1 predifined as Mod Wheel - which V-Amp uses as a Wah pedal.  I would use different CC# for both to control Bias FX.  If I were you, I'd stick with 102-119 for the foot switches, and for the pedals pick from the 28-31 range.

It's much easier to set the pedals in ALL the presets.  Technically you only need them set in one preset each, but then you have to program all the other presets to not change the Pedal settings AND you need to hit that one preset every time you want to set them up.  Much easier to program them all with Bias FX or V-Amp settings, whichever that preset is for.  That way, whichever preset you choose, the pedals will be set up for that effect at the same time.  (I really hope that was understandable.. let me know if I was too general or vague or whatever..)

*** If you have V-Amp and Bias FX running (and connected) when you program the FCB1010, they will all see the SYSEX message.  Now, SYSEX messages are supposed to be vendor-specific.  There's supposed to be a code in them that makes sure they ignore all other vendor's SYSEX messages.  If you're going to be programming the FCB1010 while V-Amp and Bias FX are listening, I'd make sure to try it out first (after saving your setups, of course) before having to do it live.  As long as they both ignore the FCB1010 program, you should be good to go.  Also load and save several Bias FX presets while the FCB is listening - again, just to be sure.  The Bias FX documentation doesn't say anything about SYSEX messages, but it doesn't hurt to test it.


Re: FCB1010 running two different set-ups...Can I switch easily?

David Grosz
 

 you should have no issue as the FCB doesn't care what its plugged into and if you use all 100 presets you could by using the editor software have a Sysex file saved for each device and simply download to the pedal depending on using for Vamp or Bias FX

On Tuesday, December 3, 2019, 4:57:26 AM PST, jharris@... <jharris@...> wrote:


Thanks for entertaining this question. 

I typically use the FCB1010 with my Behringer V-Amp.  Works fine.  I did upgrade to the Eureka chip.

I just purchased the Bias FX Pro software for guitar sims.  I wanted to use the FCB1010 to send signals to the pedal sims.  If I do that, when I switch the midi cables back to my amp, will I have to re-program everything?  In other words, can I bounce back and forth from the amp to the software? 

Thanks again!


Re: Switch 1 & 2 - Momentary\Mechanical? Can I choose. . . how? Assigning to pre sets . . . how?

Hellraiser Johnny <hellraiserjohnny@...>
 

Hey Jack. . .  Just a follow up  . . . . and a post for anyone interested, it appears that I only needed to set or add switch 1 on those patches that I wanted to change my Switchback looper to the clean pre-amp. Things got crazy if I added the switch to any other pre-set.

By process of elimination it turns out that I do not have to add the switch on any other pre-set. When on the clean pre-amp, once I select any high gain pre-set it automatically switches the looper back to the high gain pre-amp via the Switchback looper (Loop 1 Clean\Loop 2 High gain). 

All is right in my world and the rack sounds awesome. Thanks again for the help, much appreciated. 


FCB1010 running two different set-ups...Can I switch easily?

jharris@...
 

Thanks for entertaining this question. 

I typically use the FCB1010 with my Behringer V-Amp.  Works fine.  I did upgrade to the Eureka chip.

I just purchased the Bias FX Pro software for guitar sims.  I wanted to use the FCB1010 to send signals to the pedal sims.  If I do that, when I switch the midi cables back to my amp, will I have to re-program everything?  In other words, can I bounce back and forth from the amp to the software? 

Thanks again!


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

JM
 

Dear all

I also uploaded a version for the Arduino of my Bome Translator project. So, you are free to try it. Please note that when I created this project, I was planning to buy a MIDI Shield for the Arduino; however, since I got a Raspberry Pi 4, I didn't buy that shield. So, the Arduino project is as it is and it may have some minor problems. So, try it at your own risk and keep in mind that I won't be able to debug it.

Best regards
Josef


Re: FCB1010 with Line 6 M13 Tap Tempo

llatham@...
 

Thanks Chris and Violet - I didn't think of this and tried it tonight and it worked fine - all I had to do was deslect the default PGM change message and it will stay on the same preset, and then I can use the 10 Ftsw (or whichever I choose) to be Tap Tempo for the M13 - the CC64 and 127 worked fine!


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

JM
 

The Bome Box is exactly this.  It was made to be a portable MIDI translator that doesn't need anything but power to work.  You program it the same way as Translator, using your computer.  Once that's done, you can let it run solo or keep a computer hooked up for modifications or VST plugins.  It's also a good bit more expensive.  :-(
Yes, the Bome Box looks good, but it is really too expensive. That's why I will do it with a Raspberry Pi, which is much cheaper. I even got a kit including the hosing for almost what you pay for one without.


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

chrisw_63
 
Edited

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:54 PM, Josef Albert Meile wrote:


There are in deed two things I disliked from Bome Translator:
  1. I always have to turn on my laptop, login into Windows/MAC, then start the software. For me, a standalone version, where I just have to power on would be much better. Then I don't need extra space for my laptop
The Bome Box is exactly this.  It was made to be a portable MIDI translator that doesn't need anything but power to work.  You program it the same way as Translator, using your computer.  Once that's done, you can let it run solo or keep a computer hooked up for modifications or VST plugins.  It's also a good bit more expensive.  :-(


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

JM
 

Hi Steve

It is nice that you can use it. Anyway, I advice you to first try the trial version, which allows you to run it for 20 minutes without interruptions, then you will have to quit it and open it again for 20 minutes. If it is what you expect to be, then you can buy it.

There are in deed two things I disliked from Bome Translator:
  1. I always have to turn on my laptop, login into Windows/MAC, then start the software. For me, a standalone version, where I just have to power on would be much better. Then I don't need extra space for my laptop
  2. Bome Translator only allows to use two letter variable names. For me it would be better to have full names, then following the code would be easier.

Anyway, once you get the code working, I guess you don't need to follow what it does. I haven't tried it a lot, but it seems to work.

Anyway, I will migrate this to a standalone version with a Raspbery Pi 4 (https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b), so, I don't have to turn on my laptop, login into Windows, and start the software. Eventually, I will use eventually the Raspberry for setting up any other MIDI devices I have, ie: sending some commands or even MIDI files. I'm planning to use an USB to MIDI cable I have.

Best regards
Josef


Re: FCB1010 with Line 6 M13 Tap Tempo

chrisw_63
 

YES.. Do what Violet said, but first: Turn off the FCB1010's Tap Tempo thing - it sucks.  Seriously.  Just set one of the pedals to send the CC# 64 (the value you send with it isn't supposed to matter, but 127 is safe).  Don't forget to consider ergonomics when choosing the pedal.  Pick one that's closest to the foot you'll be using to press it - you'll get much more accurate tempo and it'll be easier to do than if you pick one further away.

Why do I say the default Tap Tempo sucks?  Two reasons:  1 - Very few MIDI devices implement the MIDI Tempo message.  2 - The value the FCB1010 sends is... whacky.  I'm not sure why, maybe the slow 1990's microcontroller running it, but the accuracy of the number sent (milliseconds per beat) is so bad it's all but unusable.  Also, it's only supposed to send the Tempo message when you hit the same pedal more than once, fairly close together.  FAIL.  Very often I've seen it (MIDI OX) send the Tempo message the very first time you hit a pedal, even if it's been 30 seconds or more since you pressed an entirely different pedal.  The value it sends for that first press is going to be entirely wrong, obviously.  So, yeah, just don't.


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

Steve Pettinger
 

Hi Josef,

Thanks very much for your work on this, as a FCB1010 newbie I can only take my hat off to you for coming up with something that can do this; after all playing chords from my feet while playing my bass is a dream come true!

I've not used BOME before so will be a steep learning curve for me, but given the "prize" I could happily spend the rest of my days working towards this :-)

Thanks again Josef

Steve


Re: FCB1010 with Line 6 M13 Tap Tempo

violet_quartet
 

Hi, I don’t know the M13, but as described in the manual, it should change delay tempo, when you send cc#64.

But only, if you program the M13 to not use fixed delays [ms], but to listen to tap tempo commands – see pt. 3.1 in the manual:

 

“tap based FX

[…] To set your delay time to tap tempo, turn Knob 1 to the far right and you’ll see a quarter note symbol in the LCD. Change it to any note you like. Now tap the desired tempo and your time-based effect will sync to it. Your note value is persistent, so when you scroll through other effects it will be retained. To set your delay time to ms, turn Knob 2 to the right again, and you’ll return to Time-based mode.”

 

If that was done and it’s still not working:

If you program fcb switch 10 to send cc#64, I guess it’s best to send it with value 127.

So you tap at least twice with a rate of 80 to 132 bpm … not shure, wether the M13 reacts to slower or faster foot taps (sent from the fcb1010).

 

Hope this helps a bit

 

Von: main@fcb1010.groups.io [mailto:main@fcb1010.groups.io] Im Auftrag von llatham@...
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. November 2019 01:57
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Betreff: [fcb1010] FCB1010 with Line 6 M13 Tap Tempo

 

Hello. I'm trying to get the Tap Tempo on the 1010 to control the same on the M13. Following the instructions in the Behringer Manual I've got it set up, but I'm not sure what values to enter for the "upper limit".

When I press the 1010 Footswitch twice, it definitely sends a message to the M13 because I can see its tap tempo light change when I press the FS. however, it just stays the same rate after that point.

In the manual it mentions the upper limit.

The M13 Manual has a table in the advanced users guide:

https://line6.com/data/l/0a0600729b4f4af8b8d2e9557/application/pdf/M13%20Advanced%20Users%20Guide%20%28Rev%20A%29%20-%20English.pdf

(page 30, or their A*2 appendix)

The tempo range is from 80 to 132 BPM, and each note value is represented in ms - 1/4 note at 80 BPM is the highest on the chart at 750 ms.

On the previous page the Tap Tempo is CC64, but it has no values - it's just "two taps".

So I'm not sure what I'm supposed to enter on Footswitch 10 as the upper limit, and what value I should enter on Footswitch 6 (I've tried 0, 127, and 64).

Ideas?


FCB1010 with Line 6 M13 Tap Tempo

llatham@...
 

Hello. I'm trying to get the Tap Tempo on the 1010 to control the same on the M13. Following the instructions in the Behringer Manual I've got it set up, but I'm not sure what values to enter for the "upper limit".

When I press the 1010 Footswitch twice, it definitely sends a message to the M13 because I can see its tap tempo light change when I press the FS. however, it just stays the same rate after that point.

In the manual it mentions the upper limit.

The M13 Manual has a table in the advanced users guide:

https://line6.com/data/l/0a0600729b4f4af8b8d2e9557/application/pdf/M13%20Advanced%20Users%20Guide%20%28Rev%20A%29%20-%20English.pdf

(page 30, or their A*2 appendix)

The tempo range is from 80 to 132 BPM, and each note value is represented in ms - 1/4 note at 80 BPM is the highest on the chart at 750 ms.

On the previous page the Tap Tempo is CC64, but it has no values - it's just "two taps".

So I'm not sure what I'm supposed to enter on Footswitch 10 as the upper limit, and what value I should enter on Footswitch 6 (I've tried 0, 127, and 64).

Ideas?


Re: Using the FCB1010 with the PSR-9000

JM
 

Hi

I wrote this post two weeks ago. However, I'm still interested in knowing if somebody got his FCB1010 to work with an PSR-9000. It may also help if you have another PSR keyboard. I have only found information about doing this with the Yamaha MFC10 foot controller and some people even succeeded by using the same configuration under Tyros and his FCB1010; however, I have tried to setup the FCB1010 in my keyboard the same way as with the MFC10, but it keeps me asking to connect it to the keyboard. So, the MIDI configuration does not recognized it properly. I know it is connected correctly since I can send program changes and notes.

Does somebody knows perhaps if the FCB1010 has to send some special messages to be recognized?

Thanks in advanced
Josef


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

JM
 

Hi

I just finished my project successfully. You will find it here:
https://fcb1010.groups.io/g/main/files/FCB1010%20as%20a%20bass%20pedal

It has some small documentation in case that it is useful for somebody. What I get working here:
  • Bass pedal playback
  • Programming and sending chords through the FCB1010
  • Optionally: chord playback. You may not want the chords to be played back
  • Chord auto detection (at least with my PSR-9000, but it may work for other keyboards)

It has some defaults that you can change inside the code and off course in the global config of your FCB1010
  • I'm using the default MIDI channel 1 for everything inside the FCB1010.
  • For transmitting the data to my keyboard, I'm using channels 4 (for the bass note) and 16 (for the chords)
  • I setup the controllers 14 and 15

This is a first version I did and I'm quite happy with it; however, I will perhaps use a more hardware oriented solution, ie: an Arduino with a MIDI shield. Since the logic is already there, it should be possible to easily migrate it.

Best regards

Josef


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

JM
 

I didn't know that there were also local variables. I though all of them were global. Thanks for the hint.


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

Jack Fenton
 

You might want to review the Bome MIDI Translator manual regarding the difference between global and local variables. I can see at first glance that your project will not work as you are using local variables which will not be seen across translators.


Re: FCB1010 as Bass pedal

Jack Fenton
 

Sounds good!


Re: Switch 1 & 2 - Momentary\Mechanical? Can I choose. . . how? Assigning to pre sets . . . how?

Jack Fenton
 

Yes that should work.

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