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Using the FCB1010 to switch channels on a Marshall TSL

fryett67 <andrew.j.fryett@...>
 

Hi

I'm thinking of buying a Marshall JCM2000 TSL602 (the 60W, 2x12
combo) or possibly an AVT. Either way, I would like to be able to use
my FCB1010 to change the channels, instead of having to have the
Marshall footswitch on stage as well.

I read somewhere that it was possible, but seeing as the Marshall
pedal connects to a DIN socket, I'm not sure which pins of the DIN
plug should go to the jack plugs for the foot controller. The manual
on the Marshall web site doesn't have that sort of detail,
unfortunately.

Has anyone managed to find the pin outs and made it work?

Best regards

Andy

Re: Using the FCB1010 to switch channels on a Marshall TSL

Mike Whitaker
 

On Monday 18 March 2002 12:58 pm, you wrote:
Hi

I'm thinking of buying a Marshall JCM2000 TSL602 (the 60W, 2x12
combo) or possibly an AVT. Either way, I would like to be able to use
my FCB1010 to change the channels, instead of having to have the
Marshall footswitch on stage as well.

I read somewhere that it was possible, but seeing as the Marshall
pedal connects to a DIN socket, I'm not sure which pins of the DIN
plug should go to the jack plugs for the foot controller. The manual
on the Marshall web site doesn't have that sort of detail,
unfortunately.
Write to Marshall and ask - email feedback@..., or snailmail
Denbigh Road, Bletchley, Milton Keynes, MK1 1DQ, or phone +44 1908 375411.
They are unbelievably helpful, in my experience (as are Behringer).

And let us know what you find out - I'd love to be able to add a HOWTO for
channel-switching Marshalls with the FCB1010.
--
Mike Whitaker: http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/

Re: Using the FCB1010 to switch channels on a Marshall TSL

fryett67 <andrew.j.fryett@...>
 

--- In fcb1010@y..., Mike Whitaker <mike@a...> wrote:
On Monday 18 March 2002 12:58 pm, you wrote:
Hi

I'm thinking of buying a Marshall JCM2000 TSL602 (the 60W, 2x12
combo) or possibly an AVT. Either way, I would like to be able to
use
my FCB1010 to change the channels, instead of having to have the
Marshall footswitch on stage as well.

I read somewhere that it was possible, but seeing as the Marshall
pedal connects to a DIN socket, I'm not sure which pins of the DIN
plug should go to the jack plugs for the foot controller. The
manual
on the Marshall web site doesn't have that sort of detail,
unfortunately.
Write to Marshall and ask - email feedback@m..., or snailmail
Denbigh Road, Bletchley, Milton Keynes, MK1 1DQ, or phone +44 1908
375411.
They are unbelievably helpful, in my experience (as are Behringer).

And let us know what you find out - I'd love to be able to add a
HOWTO for
channel-switching Marshalls with the FCB1010.
--
Mike Whitaker: http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/
I've already had a reply to an e-mail I sent, requesting further
information. I'll keep you posted.

I've currently got a Roland VGA-7 and I was going to try and produce
a HOWTO for that. As I'm probably going to change amps now, I won't
be pursuing that investigation.

Hey THERE - Looking for TC-Electronics FireWorx help

JPThere@...
 

Hi,

I just picked up a TC-Electronics FireWorx and an FCB1010 to control it... I'm just getting started and already having a little bit trouble... I'd like to start simply:  I'd like to use the FCB1010 "UP and "DOWN" switches to send program changes to my Fireworx to scroll through the presets with the controller...

Anyone out THERE doing this?

My next task will be to get the FCB1010 to control the "alpha" setting on the FireWorx...  This one may be difficult in that it appears that the FCB1010 does not send control changes... IS this true?  Does the new EPROM update add this functionality?

Thank you,

John

Struggling Big Time Here

zevon0001
 

I got the Upgrade and am not getting the effect on/off option to work
for the V-amp. I would like to be able to use just the effect side
and have the following. I thought it would be possible but can't
make it work.

Switch 1 -- Drive on/off
Switch 2 -- Reverb on/off
Switch 3 -- Chorus on/off
Switch 4 -- Flanger on/off
Switch 5 -- Phaser on/off
Switch 6 through 10 -- Various Effects on/off

So I can't seem to get an individual switch to toggle an effect. Is
it possible????

Mike

Re: Struggling Big Time Here

BC <bcproject@...>
 

I don't think the FCB1010 can do what your trying to do.

You are working within a single preset on the V-AMP. Think about it: A
single preset can't have Flanger & Chorus & Phaser etc. So really what you
may want is a setup where pressing a certain button the FBC1010 changes the
preset to one that is configured how you are wanting.

Within that preset you *should* be able to turn the FX off/on that are
available in that preset.

I *should* because I can't the damn FCB1010 working with the V-amp at all. I
guess I'm a bit dumber than the average bear. I have been using guitar gear
and MIDI gear for 10 years but I find the FCB1010 manual just about useless.

And the 2.2 EPROM upgrade? Again - the manual adendum is of no help
whatsoever.

"Banks 5 though 9 are for use with theV-AMP" - what does this mean? For use
how?

Re: FCB 1010 and the POD--Help!

Robert Alan Bowman <bowmanr@...>
 

Scott,

Caveat: I don't have my Flextone II and FCB1010 (firmware 1) with me at the moment, this is from memory -- but Ive just downloaded the POD manual.

You may need a strong coffee to read the rest of this ...

The two 'modes' you mention (preset, effects) are respectively (as far as MIDI and the FCB1010 are concerned) 'program change messages' and 'control change messages'.

A 'program change message' changes the current patch or preset of the MIDI device, in this case, a program change message will instruct your POD to change the channel on the amp/POD (see Appendix C 'MIDI Program Changes' of the Flextone manual, hope the POD manual is the same).

A 'control change message' informs the MIDI device of a given value for a given internal parameter, in this case, a control change message will instruct your POD to select the amp model, turn effects on and off, set the current volume or set the wah value (see Appendix D 'MIDI Controls' of the Flextone manual, hope the POD manual is the same).

To do what you request then, you need to use one of the five the 'program change messages' on the FCB1010 to select the preset on the POD, you need to use one of the 'control change messages' to turn an effect on or off, and you need to assign the 'control change message' and value range to the expression pedal (i.e. the control change message which represents the wah value).

What I have done is this;

( Note: All presets are on the first bank of the FCB1010 )

FCB1010 Preset 1 will select channel A (clean) on my Flextone, with pedal B being used for Volume, and Pedal A being used for Reverb. To achieve this;
- go into edit mode for preset 1 on the FCB1010
- edit Program Change 1 on the FCB1010 and ...
- assign '1' to Program Change 1 on the FCB1010 (this will switch amp channel A on Bank 1)
- edit Expression B on the FCB1010 and ...
- assign '7' (Pedal Volume 'control change message') to Expression B, set the min to '63' and the max to '127' (I find that 0 to 127 makes the pedal a bit tricky to use precisely for volume, hence 63 to 127)
- edit Expression A on the FCB1010 and ...
- assign '18' (Reverb Level 'control change message') to Expression A, set the min to '0' and the max to '127'

FCB1010 Preset 2 will select channel B (crunch) on my Flextone, with pedal B being used for Volume, and Pedal A being used for Drive. To achieve this;
- go into edit mode for preset 1 on the FCB1010
- edit Program Change 1 on the FCB1010 and ...
- assign '1' to Program Change 1 on the FCB1010 (this will switch amp channel A on Bank 1)
- edit Expression B on the FCB1010 and ...
- assign '7' (Pedal Volume 'control change message') to Expression B, set the min to '63' and the max to '127' (I find that 0 to 127 makes the pedal a bit tricky to use precisely for volume, hence 63 to 127)
- edit Expression A on the FCB1010 and ...
- assign '13' (Drive 'control change message') to Expression A, set the min to '0' and the max to '127'

FCB1010 Presets 5 and 6 [ because Ive not got the firmware update yet :o( ] will turn on and off the modulation effect for the current preset; To achieve this;
- go into edit mode for preset 5 on the FCB1010
- edit Control Change 1 on the FCB1010 and ...
- assign '50' (Chorus/Trem/Rotary on/off 'control change message') as the control change message to use
- assign '127' (value to turn the effect on) as the control change value to use
- go into edit mode for preset 6 on the FCB1010
- edit Control Change 1 on the FCB1010 and ...
- assign '50' as the control change message to use
- assign '0' (value to turn off) as the control change value to use

I use FCB1010 Presets 5 and 10 to turn the wah on and off for the current preset, ensuring that Expression Pedal B still controls the volume value and Expression Pedal A controls the wah value.
- goto edit mode for preset 5 of the FCB1010
- edit Control Change 1 on the FCB1010
- assign '43' (Wah on/off control change message) as the control change message to use
- assign '127' (value to turn the effect on) as the control change value to use
- edit Expression B on the FCB1010 and ...
- assign '7' (Pedal Volume 'control change message') to Expression B, set the min to '63' and the max to '127' (I find that 0 to 127 makes the pedal a bit tricky to use precisely for volume, hence 63 to 127)
- edit Expression A on the FCB1010 and ...
- assign '4' (Wah Pedal 'control change message') to Expression A, set the min to '0' and the max to '127' (you can control the wah range for the current preset in sounddiver, that's why I use 0 to 127 on the pedal itself)
- do the same with preset 10, just don't set expression A and sent 0 to control change 43

With the above instructions, you need to ensure that you've visited the global settings and told Program Change 1 to use MIDI channel 1. But this should be case from factory, and if you've already got it changing channels on your POD.

Please feel free to post me more queries on specific issues, I'm sure this is not totally clear, and I have to say, neither is the Behringer manual. I spent hours reading the PDF manual before getting the unit to work out how to use it. Nightmare.

Anyway, hope this helps a bit.
Robert

PS: I'm trying to be precise, that's why I keep using 'FCB1010', sorry, I know it makes it harder to read, but should hopefully be less ambiguous.

--

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:32:07
tomjonesrocks wrote:
I'm having quite a hard time setting up my board..the ART X-15
seemingly has an 'effects mode' and a 'presets mode'...and the types
of commands you can send when in "effects mode" is what I think I'm
looking for--but I'm trying to set up something similar to what's
recommended on some POD websites (i.e.,
http://www.dthraco.com/artsetup.htm) or the like.

Anyway, basically I can scroll through the banks on my POD, and use
the volume pedal, and that's about it because I can't get past this
hurdle. I was trying to understand from the manual what it means to
program the presets and just kept getting stuck.

Does anyone know how I would do this (setup the wah, set up
individual effect on/off commands, etc.)??

Thanks,
Scott





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FCB 1010 and the POD--Help!

tomjonesrocks
 

I'm having quite a hard time setting up my board..the ART X-15
seemingly has an 'effects mode' and a 'presets mode'...and the types
of commands you can send when in "effects mode" is what I think I'm
looking for--but I'm trying to set up something similar to what's
recommended on some POD websites (i.e.,
http://www.dthraco.com/artsetup.htm) or the like.

Anyway, basically I can scroll through the banks on my POD, and use
the volume pedal, and that's about it because I can't get past this
hurdle. I was trying to understand from the manual what it means to
program the presets and just kept getting stuck.

Does anyone know how I would do this (setup the wah, set up
individual effect on/off commands, etc.)??

Thanks,
Scott

NightBass Questions

motheius
 

Hi,

I just purchased the FCB1010 and there are 3 issues I am having with
it.

1. There is the PC +1 ``problem'' I am searching through old postings
to
message boards and I have sent in a request to Behringer support so
eventually I will find an answer but if someone would like to provide
me
with a way to remove the +1 I would appreciate it. (off line e-mail is
OK for this)

2. I have a NightBASS by art and I can not seem to get either Volume
or
FX to be manipulated by the continuous data pedals on the right side
of
the FCB1010.

3. How can I tell which software version I am running ?


Thanks,

Re: NightBass Questions

Mike Whitaker
 

On Friday 22 March 2002 9:26 am, you wrote:
Hi,

I just purchased the FCB1010 and there are 3 issues I am having with
it.
1. There is the PC +1 ``problem'' I am searching through old postings
to message boards and I have sent in a request to Behringer support so
eventually I will find an answer but if someone would like to provide
me with a way to remove the +1 I would appreciate it. (off line e-mail is
OK for this)
I suspect the best thing to do is for some dedicated person (*grin*) to
provide a SYSEX file with the program changes reassigned to eliminate this
problem.

2. I have a NightBASS by art and I can not seem to get either Volume
or FX to be manipulated by the continuous data pedals on the right side
of the FCB1010.
Do you have a MIDI implementation chart for it?

3. How can I tell which software version I am running ?
Open the lid and look at the sticker on the EPROM - there are 14 screws,
as detailed in the upgrade manual, to remove on the base to get in.
--
Mike Whitaker

Re: FCB 1010 and the POD--Help!

Robert Alan Bowman <bowmanr@...>
 

Mike,

Yeah, of course, I've been thinking about how to put something together to submit to you as a starter for a HOWTO for the POD stuff anyways.

The only thing is, I think the instructions are a bit haywire in places, being from memory and all that. I need to check it out that there is nothing inaccurate.

Also, when writing, I did not know how much detail to go in on the points of settings this Program Change to this value, or that Control Change to that value. What do you think? Was it ok or too vague/too specific?

All the best
Robert

PS: Thanks for the Johnny roadhouse tip a while back. And more than that, thanks very much for your effort in creating this group and your web page. Most helpful indeed.

--

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:42:12
Mike Whitaker wrote:
On Friday 22 March 2002 9:25 am, you wrote:
Scott,

Caveat: I don't have my Flextone II and FCB1010 (firmware 1) with me at
the moment, this is from memory -- but Ive just downloaded the POD
manual.

You may need a strong coffee to read the rest of this ...
[snip]

Nice, Robert. Can I tidy this up as a HOWTO for this FCB1010 page?
--
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Re: FCB 1010 and the POD--Help!

Mike Whitaker
 

On Friday 22 March 2002 9:25 am, you wrote:
Scott,

Caveat: I don't have my Flextone II and FCB1010 (firmware 1) with me at
the moment, this is from memory -- but Ive just downloaded the POD
manual.

You may need a strong coffee to read the rest of this ...
[snip]

Nice, Robert. Can I tidy this up as a HOWTO for this FCB1010 page?
--
Mike Whitaker

Re: FCB 1010 and the POD--Help!

Robert Alan Bowman <bowmanr@...>
 

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:38:44
Mike Whitaker wrote:
On Friday 22 March 2002 10:31 am, you wrote:
Mike,

Yeah, of course, I've been thinking about how to put something together
to submit to you as a starter for a HOWTO for the POD stuff anyways.

The only thing is, I think the instructions are a bit haywire in places,
being from memory and all that. I need to check it out that there is
nothing inaccurate.
Hey, I can wait!
Oky smokey -- I'll look at it and send it to you direct. Might take me a couple of weeks though (unless I look at it this afternoon.)


Also, when writing, I did not know how much detail to go in on the
points of settings this Program Change to this value, or that Control
Change to that value. What do you think? Was it ok or too vague/too
specific?
The more specific the better, IMO. The manuals do leave a lot to the
intelligence of the reader
Ahh! That would explain why I had to read the manual countless times to work it out.

, and the documentation of the equipment you're
connecting to the FCB1010.

PS: Thanks for the Johnny roadhouse tip a while back. And more than
that, thanks very much for your effort in creating this group and your
web page. Most helpful indeed.
You're welcome!
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Re: FCB 1010 and the POD--Help!

Mike Whitaker
 

On Friday 22 March 2002 10:31 am, you wrote:
Mike,

Yeah, of course, I've been thinking about how to put something together
to submit to you as a starter for a HOWTO for the POD stuff anyways.

The only thing is, I think the instructions are a bit haywire in places,
being from memory and all that. I need to check it out that there is
nothing inaccurate.
Hey, I can wait!

Also, when writing, I did not know how much detail to go in on the
points of settings this Program Change to this value, or that Control
Change to that value. What do you think? Was it ok or too vague/too
specific?
The more specific the better, IMO. The manuals do leave a lot to the
intelligence of the reader, and the documentation of the equipment you're
connecting to the FCB1010.

PS: Thanks for the Johnny roadhouse tip a while back. And more than
that, thanks very much for your effort in creating this group and your
web page. Most helpful indeed.
You're welcome!
--
Mike Whitaker

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Marshall Amp channel switching

fryett67 <andrew.j.fryett@...>
 

I've posted a couple of circuit diagrams in the Files section.
Marshall sent me pdfs of the circuits for the foot pedals for the TSL
and AVT amplifiers. I'm confident that there's no way that I would be
able to configure the relay contacts on the FCB1010 to change
channels. However, there may be some electrical whizzes out there
that can, so good luck!!

Andy

Re: Marshall Amp channel switching

Mike Whitaker
 

On Friday 22 March 2002 2:38 pm, fryett67 wrote:
I've posted a couple of circuit diagrams in the Files section.
Marshall sent me pdfs of the circuits for the foot pedals for the TSL
and AVT amplifiers. I'm confident that there's no way that I would be
able to configure the relay contacts on the FCB1010 to change
channels. However, there may be some electrical whizzes out there
that can, so good luck!!
We do have a couple of electrical engineers on the group, so...
--
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FCB1010 and V-AMP

BC <bcproject@...>
 

Anyone using the (v2.2) FCB1010 with a V-AMP? How should I configure the
FCB1010?

How I would *like* for it work is pretty simple - bank up/down should switch
banks on the V-amp, buttons 1 thru 5 should select presets within that bank.
FS10 should be a tap-tempo, FS6 drive off/on, EXPA - WAH (heel down=off)
EXPB - Volume (or vice-versa - doesn't matter). As for FS 7,8,9 - I guess it
would be nice to turn Delay/Reverb/FX off/on within the patch as well.

This seems *so* basic yet the manual(s) don't really provide any substance
on to *specifically* set this up? Except for the cryptic note: "The factory
presets for your FCB1010 are programmed as follows: banks 0-4 correspond to
the PRESETS of BEHRINGER guitar amplifiers, and banks 5-9 to the presets of
the BEHRINGER V-Amp". [scratches head].

Anyone?

Re: FCB1010 and V-AMP

Mike Whitaker
 

On Friday 22 March 2002 4:29 pm, you wrote:
Anyone using the (v2.2) FCB1010 with a V-AMP? How should I configure the
FCB1010?

How I would *like* for it work is pretty simple - bank up/down should
switch banks on the V-amp, buttons 1 thru 5 should select presets within
that bank. FS10 should be a tap-tempo, FS6 drive off/on, EXPA - WAH
(heel down=off) EXPB - Volume (or vice-versa - doesn't matter). As for
FS 7,8,9 - I guess it would be nice to turn Delay/Reverb/FX off/on
within the patch as well.

This seems *so* basic yet the manual(s) don't really provide any
substance on to *specifically* set this up? Except for the cryptic note:
"The factory presets for your FCB1010 are programmed as follows: banks
0-4 correspond to the PRESETS of BEHRINGER guitar amplifiers, and banks
5-9 to the presets of the BEHRINGER V-Amp". [scratches head].
I think part of the problem with the FCB1010 is it's SO versatile: mine's
currently wasted, really, since it just patch changes my JMP-1, which is
already set up to translate incoming patch changes to different presets,
as is my JFX-1.

How I guess you'd do this is to set FS1 - 5 to transmit patch changes, and
FS 6 (say) to transmit alternating CC values for delay level (and nothing
else), as per the 2.2 EPROM revision manual.

What would be nice:

a) a dump file editor. It's very nice being able to program the beast
standing up, but when you basically want to completely reorganise the way
you use the FCB1010, being able to sit down and edit it at a computer
would be really useful

b) some documentation on the dump format

c) some dump files for different ways of using the FCB1010
--
Mike Whitaker