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Re: OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?

yodaono <apollo@...>
 

Followup...

Still trying to get this to work with my Boss VF-1 FX processor.

Can someone post step-by-step instructions on how to get pedal #4 to
turn toggle the Wah on/off, and expression pedal #1 to control the
Wah? This would be enough to get started.

I know how to set it up from the VF-1 side, going into ASSIGN 1 and
selecting the effect (Wah) and what about the effect to control
(on/off), and then give it a MIDI number ("source type") that
corresponds to the message the controller sends for foot pedal #4, so
the VF-1 knows what message to look for from the controller to do
this. Then I would go to ASSIGN 2 and again select the effect (Wah)
and what about the effect to control (pedal) and give that a MIDI
number ("source type") that corresponds to expression pedal #1.

Also, I have set the VF-1 to receive controller information on MIDI
channel 1, and set up the foot pedal to send the same.

If I can figure out how to get the FCB1010 to turn an effect on/off
and control it with the expression pedal, and if that problem with
turning an effect on/off with one pedal doesn't apply to the VF-1,
then I won't have to send it back, saving tons of valuable time!

Please help!
Thanks

Help Upgrade

Matteo Battistutta <meobat@...>
 

Hi,
I've just found the eprom to be programmed and I was wondering if the
installation of the new eprom will affect my presets on the fcb1010. Does
anyone know it?
Thanks
Matteo

Can it do this?

Ost og Kjeks <ostogkjeks@...>
 

Hi all.
I'm wondering on buying the midiboard, and have a couple of questions.
For the board to work for me I need a bank that does the following:
Button 1-5 assigend to program change on my Digitech 2101 LE.
Button 6-8 toggels midi cc.
Button 9-10 set up for channelswitching my Mesa/Boogie Studio Pre via the switch out.
When I change preset (programchange) on the Digitech, can I also change channels on my Mesa all with
the push of a single button?
Am I making any sense here?
Thanks for any info.
Ost og kjeks

Re: OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?

Steve Cavanaugh <steve@...>
 

It is a great pedal, but the manual is completely lacking in my view.
And don't bother going to Behringer for the ROM - you have to find
someone to burn one for you. What's that all about?

I have mine working splendidly with my Cyber Twin here, both expression
pedals doing great things for me etc. But that is in part due to the
excellent documentation in my Cyber Twin's manual. The FCB manual sure
didn't give me a clue.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: yodaono [mailto:apollo@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:00 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?


I just received my FCB1010 from Musician's Friend today, and am
having some trouble figuring out how to make it work with my Boss VF-
1 effects processor to get the controller/processor to work like a
simple array of stomp boxes. To start with, I tried to get pedal #4
to turn on the Wah and expression pedal #1 to control the Wah.

After an hour of trying to make it work I turned to the Internet,
only to read that to get a pedal to simply toggle an effect on and
off, I have to replace a ROM chip?? Is this for real?

The Web page went on to say that version 2.2 of the controller has
fixed this problem. Alas, my manual says version 1.1 (brand new! just
shipped yesterday!) so I assume this unit is the old version.

I don't want to have to modify this thing to get it to work right. I
have better things to do than sit around and wait for a ROM chip to
come in the mail from god knows where, and then have to figure out
how to put it in, probably voiding my warranty in the process.

I'm ready to pack this thing up and ship it back.

If there is anything someone can say that'll make me change my mind
and lessen the pain of this whole experience, please do! From
(almost) everything I've seen and read, this looks like the greatest
value in a MIDI foot controller. If only the documentation had some
concrete examples, and you don't have to replace a ROM chip to get it
to work right!






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Re: Help Upgrade

Steve Cavanaugh <steve@...>
 

If you install the new ROM, you'll lose all your presets.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matteo Battistutta [mailto:meobat@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:03 AM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Help Upgrade


Hi,
I've just found the eprom to be programmed and I was wondering if the
installation of the new eprom will affect my presets on the fcb1010.
Does
anyone know it?
Thanks
Matteo



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Re: Help Upgrade

Darrell Kimball <darrell.kimball@...>
 

YUP!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Cavanaugh [mailto:steve@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 9:48 AM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: RE: [fcb1010] Help Upgrade

If you install the new ROM, you'll lose all your presets.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matteo Battistutta [mailto:meobat@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:03 AM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] Help Upgrade


Hi,
I've just found the eprom to be programmed and I was wondering if the
installation of the new eprom will affect my presets on the fcb1010.
Does
anyone know it?
Thanks
Matteo



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Re: OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?

Greg Domeier <gregdomeier@...>
 

 
 
 
Behringer may have roms now.  I bought my pedal about 2 months ago.  I called the US support number asking about the rom upgrades.  The guy I spoke to took my address and said he'd send me one when they got them.  I received a package from Behringer 2 days ago with the upgrade.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 8:46 AM
Subject: RE: [fcb1010] OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?

It is a great pedal, but the manual is completely lacking in my view.
And don't bother going to Behringer for the ROM - you have to find
someone to burn one for you.  What's that all about? 

I have mine working splendidly with my Cyber Twin here, both expression
pedals doing great things for me etc.  But that is in part due to the
excellent documentation in my Cyber Twin's manual.  The FCB manual sure
didn't give me a clue.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: yodaono [mailto:apollo@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:00 PM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?


I just received my FCB1010 from Musician's Friend today, and am
having some trouble figuring out how to make it work with my Boss VF-
1 effects processor to get the controller/processor to work like a
simple array of stomp boxes. To start with, I tried to get pedal #4
to turn on the Wah and expression pedal #1 to control the Wah.

After an hour of trying to make it work I turned to the Internet,
only to read that to get a pedal to simply toggle an effect on and
off, I have to replace a ROM chip?? Is this for real?

The Web page went on to say that version 2.2 of the controller has
fixed this problem. Alas, my manual says version 1.1 (brand new! just
shipped yesterday!) so I assume this unit is the old version.

I don't want to have to modify this thing to get it to work right. I
have better things to do than sit around and wait for a ROM chip to
come in the mail from god knows where, and then have to figure out
how to put it in, probably voiding my warranty in the process.

I'm ready to pack this thing up and ship it back.

If there is anything someone can say that'll make me change my mind
and lessen the pain of this whole experience, please do! From
(almost) everything I've seen and read, this looks like the greatest
value in a MIDI foot controller. If only the documentation had some
concrete examples, and you don't have to replace a ROM chip to get it
to work right!






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SysEx Back ups

rockerdaveuk <davej@...>
 

As most of you will probably know, when you fit a new chip you will
have to reprogram or reload the FCB1010. I have found a really useful
Midi program that you can save and load SysEx dumps and it is very
easy to understand. It is called MIDIOX and is free. It can be
downloaded from MIDIOX.COM .

how do you program the behringer to send simple MIDI messages?

yodaono <apollo@...>
 

Well, I found the guy (or rather he found me - sam_lloyd18@...,
http://home.usit.net/~slloyd/v_eprom.html) who sells the EPROM
upgrade ($10) that fixes this.

However, before I even see the problem this fixes, I have to know how
to program the Behringer to work with my FX unit (Boss VF-1).

I'm not a MIDI guy at all, so terms like Patch and Program Change are
greek to me - especially when they seem to mean different things on
the foot controller than they do on my FX unit.

I just want to program the FCB-1010 to transmit on MIDI channel 1,
and get it to send the following to the my FX processor (a Boss VF-
1):

PEDAL SENDS
----- -----
1 MIDI 1
2 MIDI 2
3 MIDI 3
4 MIDI 4
5 MIDI 5
6 MIDI 6
7 MIDI 7
8 MIDI 8
9 MIDI 9
10 MIDI 10
Exp. pedal 1 MIDI 11
Exp. pedal 2 MIDI 12

Maybe I'm over-simplifying this - I owned a Digitech MIDI foot
controller for a few days, and this is how it seemed to work. You
just had to figure out the MIDI message each pedal was sending (on
the Digitech controller, pedal #1 sent MIDI 23, pedal #2 sent MIDI
25, up to like 30 (which was the exp. pedal)). The worst part was, in
the FX processor's programming mode, to get an effect to be turned
on/off, y had to cycle through all the MIDI numbers while continually
pressing the pedal you were trying to set up, to find what MIDI
message the foot controller was sending for that pedal, until you
stumbled on the right MIDI message #. Trial and error, but once you
knew, you just had to write it down and never worry about it again.
It seems the Behringer isn't sending anything yet, however (I guess
a 'factory fresh' unit is not set up to send anything), so this
method doesn't work, because straight from the factory it's a blank
slate.

I don't know if I would have to program the up/down buttons on the
controller either - the FX processor recognized it when you pressed
these on the Digitech (no programming needed), and you could use them
to cycle through different effects patches.

If someone can provide step-by-step instructions that would be a big
help...

Thankee






--- In fcb1010@y..., "Steve Cavanaugh" <steve@w...> wrote:
It is a great pedal, but the manual is completely lacking in my
view.
And don't bother going to Behringer for the ROM - you have to find
someone to burn one for you. What's that all about?

I have mine working splendidly with my Cyber Twin here, both
expression
pedals doing great things for me etc. But that is in part due to
the
excellent documentation in my Cyber Twin's manual. The FCB manual
sure
didn't give me a clue.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: yodaono [mailto:apollo@a...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:00 PM
To: fcb1010@y...
Subject: [fcb1010] OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?


I just received my FCB1010 from Musician's Friend today, and am
having some trouble figuring out how to make it work with my Boss
VF-
1 effects processor to get the controller/processor to work like a
simple array of stomp boxes. To start with, I tried to get pedal #4
to turn on the Wah and expression pedal #1 to control the Wah.

After an hour of trying to make it work I turned to the Internet,
only to read that to get a pedal to simply toggle an effect on and
off, I have to replace a ROM chip?? Is this for real?

The Web page went on to say that version 2.2 of the controller has
fixed this problem. Alas, my manual says version 1.1 (brand new!
just
shipped yesterday!) so I assume this unit is the old version.

I don't want to have to modify this thing to get it to work right.
I
have better things to do than sit around and wait for a ROM chip to
come in the mail from god knows where, and then have to figure out
how to put it in, probably voiding my warranty in the process.

I'm ready to pack this thing up and ship it back.

If there is anything someone can say that'll make me change my mind
and lessen the pain of this whole experience, please do! From
(almost) everything I've seen and read, this looks like the
greatest
value in a MIDI foot controller. If only the documentation had some
concrete examples, and you don't have to replace a ROM chip to get
it
to work right!






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Re: how do you program the behringer to send simple MIDI messages?

Darrell Kimball <darrell.kimball@...>
 

Dude,
 
I'd wait for the upgraded EPROM to show up. When you install it, it resets all the settings back to their defaults.

-----Original Message-----
From: yodaono [mailto:apollo@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:21 AM
To: fcb1010@...
Subject: [fcb1010] how do you program the behringer to send simple MIDI messages?

Well, I found the guy (or rather he found me - sam_lloyd18@...,
http://home.usit.net/~slloyd/v_eprom.html) who sells the EPROM
upgrade ($10) that fixes this. 

However, before I even see the problem this fixes, I have to know how
to program the Behringer to work with my FX unit (Boss VF-1).

I'm not a MIDI guy at all, so terms like Patch and Program Change are
greek to me - especially when they seem to mean different things on
the foot controller than they do on my FX unit.

I just want to program the FCB-1010 to transmit on MIDI channel 1,
and get it to send the following to the my FX processor (a Boss VF-
1):

PEDAL             SENDS
-----             -----
1                MIDI 1
2                MIDI 2
3                MIDI 3
4                MIDI 4
5                MIDI 5
6                MIDI 6
7                MIDI 7
8                MIDI 8
9                MIDI 9
10                MIDI 10
Exp. pedal 1      MIDI 11
Exp. pedal 2      MIDI 12

Maybe I'm over-simplifying this - I owned a Digitech MIDI foot
controller for a few days, and this is how it seemed to work. You
just had to figure out the MIDI message each pedal was sending (on
the Digitech controller, pedal #1 sent MIDI 23, pedal #2 sent MIDI
25, up to like 30 (which was the exp. pedal)). The worst part was, in
the FX processor's programming mode, to get an effect to be turned
on/off, y had to cycle through all the MIDI numbers while continually
pressing the pedal you were trying to set up, to find what MIDI
message the foot controller was sending for that pedal, until you
stumbled on the right MIDI message #. Trial and error, but once you
knew, you just had to write it down and never worry about it again.
It seems the Behringer isn't sending anything yet, however (I guess
a 'factory fresh' unit is not set up to send anything), so this
method doesn't work, because straight from the factory it's a blank
slate.

I don't know if I would have to program the up/down buttons on the
controller either - the FX processor recognized it when you pressed
these on the Digitech (no programming needed), and you could use them
to cycle through different effects patches.

If someone can provide step-by-step instructions that would be a big
help...

Thankee






--- In fcb1010@y..., "Steve Cavanaugh" wrote:
> It is a great pedal, but the manual is completely lacking in my
view.
> And don't bother going to Behringer for the ROM - you have to find
> someone to burn one for you.  What's that all about? 
>
> I have mine working splendidly with my Cyber Twin here, both
expression
> pedals doing great things for me etc.  But that is in part due to
the
> excellent documentation in my Cyber Twin's manual.  The FCB manual
sure
> didn't give me a clue.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yodaono [mailto:apollo@a...]
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:00 PM
> To: fcb1010@y...
> Subject: [fcb1010] OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?
>
>
> I just received my FCB1010 from Musician's Friend today, and am
> having some trouble figuring out how to make it work with my Boss
VF-
> 1 effects processor to get the controller/processor to work like a
> simple array of stomp boxes. To start with, I tried to get pedal #4
> to turn on the Wah and expression pedal #1 to control the Wah.
>
> After an hour of trying to make it work I turned to the Internet,
> only to read that to get a pedal to simply toggle an effect on and
> off, I have to replace a ROM chip?? Is this for real?
>
> The Web page went on to say that version 2.2 of the controller has
> fixed this problem. Alas, my manual says version 1.1 (brand new!
just
> shipped yesterday!) so I assume this unit is the old version.
>
> I don't want to have to modify this thing to get it to work right.
I
> have better things to do than sit around and wait for a ROM chip to
> come in the mail from god knows where, and then have to figure out
> how to put it in, probably voiding my warranty in the process.
>
> I'm ready to pack this thing up and ship it back.
>
> If there is anything someone can say that'll make me change my mind
> and lessen the pain of this whole experience, please do! From
> (almost) everything I've seen and read, this looks like the
greatest
> value in a MIDI foot controller. If only the documentation had some
> concrete examples, and you don't have to replace a ROM chip to get
it
> to work right!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> fcb1010-unsubscribe@y...
>

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how does this thing work

digitpop2002 <digitpop2002@...>
 

thought it was a somple one two three excercise........hook up and way
you go.apparently not......anyone who can give me some help programming
this thing would be greatly appreciated......

Re: how does this thing work

John Leblanc
 

"digitpop2002" <digitpop2002@...> writes:
Subject: [fcb1010] how does this thing work


thought it was a somple one two three excercise........hook up and way
you go.apparently not......anyone who can give me some help programming
this thing would be greatly appreciated......

For what purpose did you get the controller? That would help some of us to
get you headed in the right direction. I'm not sure I understand what it was
you thought it would do when you plugged it it.

John LeBlanc
Houston, TX

Re: Help Upgrade

barryspearce <bsp.egroups@...>
 

Hi,

Well bizarrely for me - when I did this I didnt so much lose my
presets but got some corruption instead - most presets shifted
upwards by 1 patch!!...gonna to blank it all and start again...

Barry

If you install the new ROM, you'll lose all your presets.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matteo Battistutta [mailto:meobat@l...]
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:03 AM
To: fcb1010@y...
Subject: [fcb1010] Help Upgrade


Hi,
I've just found the eprom to be programmed and I was wondering if
the
installation of the new eprom will affect my presets on the
fcb1010.
Does
anyone know it?
Thanks
Matteo

Re: Assumptions and Questions

barryspearce <bsp.egroups@...>
 

Hi,

ASSUMPTIONS
1.Global setup determines how the FCB100 will function, e.g diredt
select, whether up switch and down switch control relays.
Yes.

2.Preset are more commonly called patches.
Yes. The terms are interchangeable.

3.That I am editing the FCB1010 presets and I am not affecting the
presets on the guitar amplifier.
Correct.

4.This is supposed ot be easy, so I must be stupid.
:)

As an experiment I wanted to:

Change preset #02 to change the amp preset to #70.
Change amp channel to channel #2(Overdrive)
Use Expression Pedal A to change amp preset effect A (Depth)
Use Expression Pedal B to change amp preset effect B (Mix)

So here is what i did....
Right. Well first up you should have gone into GLOBAL setup and made
sure that Program Change 1 (Pedal 1 in setup) is set to transmit on
the MIDI channel of your amp.

1.Selected preset #02 and then held down the down footswitch.
yep.

2.Did not know what to do on the next step which is to change the
status of Switches 1 and 2 (Don't what that means or what that
does)
so I tried all variations.
Simply press up. The LEDs on the display guide you through the
process - it is very important to look at them.

3.Edited footswitch 1, or ,2 or 3 (tried them all one at at time of
course) to issue program change # 124 or tried footswitch #6 and
changed controller to #10 and issue a value of 1 to change amp
channel.
Hmmm...um no. Not at all.

4.Edited footswitch #1 to issue program change #69.
Yes. ish. After pressing up the pedal LEDs show 'active' messages. If
you press and hold a switch in this mode it toggles whether or not
the message is active. To select a message simply quickly press the
pedal in question. So if you have set PC1 in global to transmit on
the MIDI channel of your amp. press and Hold pedal 1 if the light is
not on, then quickly press it (LED starts flashing to show you have
selected it)...then press UP. Then you set the PC # you want 0-127.
etc.

For the expression pedals....you press & hold to activate/deactive
(pedals 8/9), quickly press to select, press up then you set the CC#
press up, set the min value press up set the max value . Simple!

An here is what happened.......
My amp preset chnged to #70. That's it.

In all of my attempts I was able to change the amp channel to #2
(Overdrive) once but could not turn it off. As a matter of fact
regradless of which preset I chose it stayed on Channel #2.
How is the amp switching done? What does the amp manual say?


QUESTIONS?

Am I on the right track in thinking I can get the desired results
as
stated above?
Sort of. you were close. Almost there...see my comments.

How do you program the relay switches, and what does changing the
status of switches in preset programming for?
So you can amp switch instead of using a physical switch - you
connect standard mono jack cables in...they are just analog
footswicthes but are electonically controlled. You can therefore set
them on a patch by patch basis to control things like your amp's
channel - but it depends on how the amp does its switching - via
analog footswitches or via MIDI?

Do I have to enter #'s 09 if I want let's say to use controller #10?
Yes. But thats because your amp's manufacturer DID NOT follow the
MIDI standard which is 0-127. Why 0-127? Because those are the values
which can be stored in a single byte (8bits) of information.

Can I create a wah effect using the expression pedals?
If you amp supports wah and control via MIDI CC messages then yes.

I promise to create a faq or some sort of help file to help others
in the future. I sure I'll have more questions so PLEASE be
patient.

?? Personally I found reading the manual and following that thru
worked - but maybe a walkthrough example is required...

Hope this helps,
Barry

Re: Can it do this?

barryspearce <bsp.egroups@...>
 

Hi,

Button 1-5 assigend to program change on my Digitech 2101 LE.
Yes.

Button 6-8 toggels midi cc.
Yes. You need v2.2 of the prom for a toggle, but yes.

Button 9-10 set up for channelswitching my Mesa/Boogie Studio Pre
via the switch out.

Yes.

When I change preset (programchange) on the Digitech, can I also
change channels on my Mesa all with
the push of a single button?
Yes. The FCB can send out 1 PC and switch the footswitches for your
mesa.

Indeed once you have the FCB1010 you will find its a lot more
flexible than that and can do much more stuff for you.

Hope this helps,
Barry

Am I making any sense here?
Thanks for any info.
Ost og kjeks

Re: how do you program the behringer to send simple MIDI messages?

barryspearce <bsp.egroups@...>
 

Hi,

Well, I found the guy (or rather he found me - sam_lloyd18@y...,
http://home.usit.net/~slloyd/v_eprom.html) who sells the EPROM
upgrade ($10) that fixes this.
Sam is great. Ive got 2 sam chips in my kit at the mo. Most happy.


However, before I even see the problem this fixes, I have to know
how
to program the Behringer to work with my FX unit (Boss VF-1).
I have a GT-3 myself....not a world away.


I'm not a MIDI guy at all, so terms like Patch and Program Change
are
greek to me - especially when they seem to mean different things on
the foot controller than they do on my FX unit.
Well you need to know 4 bits of information.....

MIDI Cables...
These are one-way cables connects OUT->IN (not OUT-OUT IN-IN)
therefore for two-way communications you need 2 cables - most setups
only need 1 though.

MIDI Channel
There are 16 channels available per cable. Each MIDI channel is like
a telephone line...so you can have 16 separate conversations
happening simultaneously. The number of 'words' you can say over
these telephone lines is limited. PC (program change) and CC
(continuous controller) messages are 2 of the main ones. SYSEX
(System exclusive are another - these are used to backup/restore the
unit). There are also BANK SELECT messages - but these are not
supported by the FCB1010 so I wont go into them.

MIDI Program Change Messages (PC messages)
These are commands to change patches. 0-127 is the base numbering -
you have to example your manual's MIDI PC MAP to determine how this
relates to the patch numbering system of the unit you are
controlling...on the GT-3 PC#0 = patch 1-1 PC#5 = patch 2-2...you get
the idea - there is *definitely* a map in the manual of the VF-1.

MIDI Continuous Controller Messages (CC messages)
These do not change the patch but allow the transmission of a
variable value from one unit to another - say for an expression
pedal. The pedal's movement is related to say 0 when fully back
through to 127 when fully forward - thus by moving the pedal the
value of where the pedal physically is is transmitted as a number.
There are 127 controllers - although some are reserved. CC#7 is
typically used to control volume. Each controller can have this 0-127
value range transmitted against it.

OK hope that helps with the basics.

I just want to program the FCB-1010 to transmit on MIDI channel 1,
and get it to send the following to the my FX processor (a Boss VF-
1):
OK. So you set the FCB1010 Program Change 1 (in global) to transmit
on MIDI Channel 1.

OK lets get the phrasing right here...


PEDAL SENDS
----- -----
1 MIDI 1
2 MIDI 2
3 MIDI 3
4 MIDI 4
5 MIDI 5
6 MIDI 6
7 MIDI 7
8 MIDI 8
9 MIDI 9
10 MIDI 10
MIDI 1-10 actually means MIDI (program change) PC#0-9.

Exp. pedal 1 MIDI 11
Exp. pedal 2 MIDI 12
Aha...now this is wrong... You see the expression pedals dont
transmit PC messages - therefore the numbering makes me suspicious.
You see MIDI PC#1 is a command to change to patch 1, whereas MIDI
CC#1 means a variable value will be transmitted on controller 1. They
are not exclusive...but even if you decide you want 11 & 12 you
really mean MIDI CC#11 & MIDI CC#12.


Maybe I'm over-simplifying this - I owned a Digitech MIDI foot
controller for a few days, and this is how it seemed to work. You
just had to figure out the MIDI message each pedal was sending (on
the Digitech controller, pedal #1 sent MIDI 23, pedal #2 sent MIDI
25, up to like 30 (which was the exp. pedal)). The worst part was,
Again dont confuse MIDI PC# and MIDI CC#. Also you might have a 'map'
which means that MIDI PC#1 actually causes patch 100 to be used...it
translates...this depends on your unit - your digitech might have one
units like the Boss GT-3, Rocktron intellifex do.

pressing the pedal you were trying to set up, to find what MIDI
message the foot controller was sending for that pedal, until you
stumbled on the right MIDI message #. Trial and error, but once you
knew, you just had to write it down and never worry about it again.
Huh? Or alternatively read the manuals, understand what you are
doing. Write down your plan and then merely program. No blindness at
all - or stumbling :)

It seems the Behringer isn't sending anything yet, however (I guess
a 'factory fresh' unit is not set up to send anything), so this
method doesn't work, because straight from the factory it's a blank
slate.
Exactly.

If someone can provide step-by-step instructions that would be a
big
help...
The manual does provide a reasonable explaination. Have you read it
at all?

Hope this helps,
Barry

Re: OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?

barryspearce <bsp.egroups@...>
 

Hi,

I just received my FCB1010 from Musician's Friend today, and am
having some trouble figuring out how to make it work with my Boss
VF-
1 effects processor to get the controller/processor to work like a
simple array of stomp boxes. To start with, I tried to get pedal #4
to turn on the Wah and expression pedal #1 to control the Wah.
Yeah. You need to set-up control assigns on the VF-1 but thats no
hassle. (and you do need 2.2 firmware)

After an hour of trying to make it work I turned to the Internet,
only to read that to get a pedal to simply toggle an effect on and
off, I have to replace a ROM chip?? Is this for real?
Yes. So? Never replaced your VF-1 ROM? My Boss GT-3 just got a ROM
upgrade from v1.01 to v1.03. It happens...so what?

The Web page went on to say that version 2.2 of the controller has
fixed this problem. Alas, my manual says version 1.1 (brand new!
just
shipped yesterday!) so I assume this unit is the old version.
Mine said 1.2. But it depends on how long Musicans Friend have had
the unit. THEY have the responsibility to get you the new version of
the firmware and FIT it for you. (According to Behringer they do).

I don't want to have to modify this thing to get it to work right.
Um. Tough luck? Just phone up musicans friends and get it sorted.

I
have better things to do than sit around and wait for a ROM chip to
come in the mail from god knows where, and then have to figure out
how to put it in, probably voiding my warranty in the process.
Fine. Then put it back in the box. Ship it back and then buy a unit
3x the price which will produce similar issues at some point. I must
say this is a very petty attitude you have.

I'm ready to pack this thing up and ship it back.
Woohoo! One less moan on here. But itll be more effort than putting
in a new ROM within 7 days...In fact you spent more time moaning on
here than you would have in the phone call to get it sorted. Simple
maths methinks? Do yourself a favour - just order the
upgrade....youll not regret it.

If there is anything someone can say that'll make me change my mind
and lessen the pain of this whole experience, please do! From
(almost) everything I've seen and read, this looks like the
greatest
value in a MIDI foot controller. If only the documentation had some
concrete examples, and you don't have to replace a ROM chip to get
it
to work right!
1. Read the manual, follow it through. Try to understand
it...experiment with your kit. Its not that alien unles you have ZERO
MIDI experience - in which case you need to prime yourself with the
required knowledge - yes I can help you here if necessary.

2. Upgrade the ROM - honest its simple...

3. The alternatives will cost lots more.

Get your ROM upgraded and Ill work through an example with you - cant
say fairer than that can we? It really is a great unit.

Hope this helps,
Barry

Re: OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?

Mauro
 

well, just two words to say that it is not just simple to say "just
buy a new software eprom".
I had to do the same with a "NEW JUST ARRIVED FCB" in the shop and
with the eprom 1.1 and the guy in the shop said IT IS THE LAST ONE
AND ONLY ONE! (but I knew about version problems)
It is not the problem of spending a lot of more money for other
pedalboard.
The problem is that I want the new machine when I spend the money it
costs, nothing more. I am not buying a second hand old version.
Actually the local resellers in different country shold upgrade the
machines they have in the wharehouse before sending them to the
shops, I think.
BUT, at least Behringer is nice when it gives you the opportunity to
donwload the eprom image from the net for free so you can (if you are
a guy in electronic business) program an eprom and place it in the
board.
Other brands (see Line6, ADA or others) just sell the kit and stop.
I am lucky I have an eprom programmer in my company.
Mauro


--- In fcb1010@y..., "barryspearce" <bsp.egroups@f...> wrote:
Hi,

I just received my FCB1010 from Musician's Friend today, and am
having some trouble figuring out how to make it work with my Boss
VF-
1 effects processor to get the controller/processor to work like
a
simple array of stomp boxes. To start with, I tried to get pedal
#4
to turn on the Wah and expression pedal #1 to control the Wah.
Yeah. You need to set-up control assigns on the VF-1 but thats no
hassle. (and you do need 2.2 firmware)

After an hour of trying to make it work I turned to the Internet,
only to read that to get a pedal to simply toggle an effect on
and
off, I have to replace a ROM chip?? Is this for real?
Yes. So? Never replaced your VF-1 ROM? My Boss GT-3 just got a ROM
upgrade from v1.01 to v1.03. It happens...so what?

The Web page went on to say that version 2.2 of the controller
has
fixed this problem. Alas, my manual says version 1.1 (brand new!
just
shipped yesterday!) so I assume this unit is the old version.
Mine said 1.2. But it depends on how long Musicans Friend have had
the unit. THEY have the responsibility to get you the new version
of
the firmware and FIT it for you. (According to Behringer they do).

I don't want to have to modify this thing to get it to work
right.

Um. Tough luck? Just phone up musicans friends and get it sorted.

I
have better things to do than sit around and wait for a ROM chip
to
come in the mail from god knows where, and then have to figure
out
how to put it in, probably voiding my warranty in the process.
Fine. Then put it back in the box. Ship it back and then buy a unit
3x the price which will produce similar issues at some point. I
must
say this is a very petty attitude you have.

I'm ready to pack this thing up and ship it back.
Woohoo! One less moan on here. But itll be more effort than putting
in a new ROM within 7 days...In fact you spent more time moaning on
here than you would have in the phone call to get it sorted. Simple
maths methinks? Do yourself a favour - just order the
upgrade....youll not regret it.

If there is anything someone can say that'll make me change my
mind
and lessen the pain of this whole experience, please do! From
(almost) everything I've seen and read, this looks like the
greatest
value in a MIDI foot controller. If only the documentation had
some
concrete examples, and you don't have to replace a ROM chip to
get
it
to work right!
1. Read the manual, follow it through. Try to understand
it...experiment with your kit. Its not that alien unles you have
ZERO
MIDI experience - in which case you need to prime yourself with the
required knowledge - yes I can help you here if necessary.

2. Upgrade the ROM - honest its simple...

3. The alternatives will cost lots more.

Get your ROM upgraded and Ill work through an example with you -
cant
say fairer than that can we? It really is a great unit.

Hope this helps,
Barry

Re: OLD ROM? SHOULD I JUST RETURN IT?

barryspearce <bsp.egroups@...>
 

Hi,

well, just two words to say that it is not just simple to say "just
buy a new software eprom".
Who said 'buy'? I didn't. I said GET. The EPROMS are FREE from
behringer if you just bought your unit your dealer *should* sort this
out for you for FREE. I had hassle in the UK. (stupid dealer - and
chose another route).

I had to do the same with a "NEW JUST ARRIVED FCB" in the shop and
with the eprom 1.1 and the guy in the shop said IT IS THE LAST ONE
AND ONLY ONE! (but I knew about version problems)
It is not the problem of spending a lot of more money for other
pedalboard.
The problem is that I want the new machine when I spend the money
it
costs, nothing more. I am not buying a second hand old version.
Um...yep. See above.

Actually the local resellers in different country shold upgrade the
machines they have in the wharehouse before sending them to the
shops, I think.
Quite. But they wont - cause it costs them money.

BUT, at least Behringer is nice when it gives you the opportunity
to
donwload the eprom image from the net for free so you can (if you
are
a guy in electronic business) program an eprom and place it in the
board.
Exactly - I found this less hassle than trying to mess about with a
retard dealer who didnt understand words like EPROM or firmware.

Other brands (see Line6, ADA or others) just sell the kit and stop.
Indeed Boss sent me the EPROM direct FOC. Behringer told me I had to
go through my dealer...oh dear...I had a go at them - they were
supposed to ring back to clarify and never did.

Take care,
Barry

EEPROM upgrade info?

evanmeyers <evanmeyers@...>
 

Can someone provide the US number to call to get the EEPROM? I
bought mine about a month ago (not even) and I don't have the upgrade
and would like to try to get ahold of it.

Thanks,
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