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Re: FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

Tim Brown
 

Well, I want to says thanks again for all the help.  I think I finally have it working the way I want.
Turns out I was fighting several problems without realizing it. (All of them were stupid, FYI!) First, I did still have the PC switch on, so the CC wasn't being seen in Reaper. Stupid user!
Second, I have learned my MIDI cables are too old and have started to flake out. Sometimes they transmit, sometimes not. So that was causing me grief getting the sysex file from my laptop to the FCB as well as getting consistent behavior when switching things on and off. And finally, after I did get the parameter mapped, I learned that I had to clear the envelope in Reaper, otherwise it still wouldn't take the input from the FCB in realtime.
Sheesh!!
But it's doing what I intended in the first place finally so thank you for putting up with me!

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 4:22 AM <Earth.Sky.Surf5@...> wrote:
Perhaps the answer is much simpler, assuming all you want to do is toggle a CC from say 127 to 0 and do not want to send a Program Change message, just turn off the Program Change message. From memory when you create a new assignment on the FCB1010 (original Behringer chip) Program Change (PROG CHG1) is on, so just hold that button "1" down for a couple of seconds to turn it off.

If my assumption was wrong, then trick Reaper, if you have another midi keyboard, assigned the continuous controller to the same CC id used on your foot controller, wiggle the CC on the keyboard so Reaper can learn it, the swap the midi cables back to the foot controller -- done.

Re: FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

Tim Brown
 

I'd appreciate that.  I'll definitely give it a look.  Thanks for taking the time to try to help me out.  I think I'm getting myself confused on terminology.  I have a suspicion when I get home and pull my gear out, I'll find that (1.)  PC change was still clicked in the editor and (2.) I should have been using "preset" when I meant pedal and "bank" when I meant preset.  But at any rate, I appreciate your help.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:49 PM EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:
The stock FCB has 10 Banks, numbered 00-09. Each Bank has 10 Presets. By default these presets (000-127) are set up 10 per Bank.
A preset can send up to 8 MIDI messages. Each message can be assigned to a different MIDI Channel, BUT those channels are GLOBALLY assigned. So, for instance, if PC1 is assigned to MIDI Channel 1, PC1 will always send on MIDI Channel 1, in ALL presets, in ALL Banks. The exception is the Expression Pedals, which can be set to transmit on different channels in each preset.

Any number of pedals (out of the 10 available in each Bank) can be set up to send CC only. I only suggested 5 because that is what the UNO Chip does.
If all you need is 10 Presets, you could set up each Bank to call a Preset (or multiple presets at once in different VSTs), and have 9 buttons to use as Stomps.
You could, for instance, have 10 different amp presets (one in each of 10 Banks), with each bank having it's own custom Pedal Board with 9 effects.

As for LoopMIDI, I looked it up. It's not what you want. What that person was thinking of is MIDI Translation SW. BOME is the premier example, but MIDIOX can do translation (PC only) and there's probably other translation utilities for MAC.

With your extensive knowledge of MIDI, I wouldn't think about it, as it's not at all necessary for what you want to do.
Of course, you COULD take the time to learn a whole bunch of MIDI stuff, but wouldn't you rather play guitar?

Tell you what. Somewhere in the Cloud I have a sample FCB sysex that I made up for somebody else in your situation. After dinner I'll see if I can find it, and send it out to you to try. Sound good?

Uno-fied FCB1010 For Sale

ET King
 

Hi everyone. I have an FCB 1010 for sale on eBay. It has a Uno 1.0.4 chip installed and comes with a USB to MIDI cable, bought last September and hardly used:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293632695988

I have bought a Fender GTX50 modelling amp, so I'm moving 'Out Of The Box' for recording, and this one is now surplus to requirements.

If anyone wants to shoot a sensible offer over to me I can send a business PayPal invoice out.

Thanks for your attention ... apologies for the spam!

Re: FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

Earth.Sky.Surf5@...
 

Perhaps the answer is much simpler, assuming all you want to do is toggle a CC from say 127 to 0 and do not want to send a Program Change message, just turn off the Program Change message. From memory when you create a new assignment on the FCB1010 (original Behringer chip) Program Change (PROG CHG1) is on, so just hold that button "1" down for a couple of seconds to turn it off.

If my assumption was wrong, then trick Reaper, if you have another midi keyboard, assigned the continuous controller to the same CC id used on your foot controller, wiggle the CC on the keyboard so Reaper can learn it, the swap the midi cables back to the foot controller -- done.

Re: FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

EJ SHELDON
 

Well, the Cloud ate the original, but using UNO_ControlCenter it only took a couple of minutes to re-create it.
I've also attached a screenshot of the configuration in UNO_ControlCenter. Worth the $20 vs the FREE ED Dixon editor.

This sysex mimics the basic UNO configuration. 50 Program Changes, five per Bank on the Top Row (6-10).
Five Toggling CCs on the Bottom Row (1-5), same CC#s in each Bank.
The one advantage to using the stock chip in this way is that you can use ANY CC#s in ANY Bank or Preset.

The CC#s I used are my preference.
They're "safe" in that they are unreserved, and won't conflict with MIDI devices that use reserved CCs.
You can use whatever CC#s you like, unless what you're controlling uses reserved CCs.
See the MIDI Spec for more info on reserved CCs.

Have Fun!

FCB1010 + Axe-Fx + UnO2

David Grosz
 

It is alive, but what is it??  The virtual tip and heel switches have turned the mild mannered FCB1010 into a monster!

Re: FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

EJ SHELDON
 

The stock FCB has 10 Banks, numbered 00-09. Each Bank has 10 Presets. By default these presets (000-127) are set up 10 per Bank.
A preset can send up to 8 MIDI messages. Each message can be assigned to a different MIDI Channel, BUT those channels are GLOBALLY assigned. So, for instance, if PC1 is assigned to MIDI Channel 1, PC1 will always send on MIDI Channel 1, in ALL presets, in ALL Banks. The exception is the Expression Pedals, which can be set to transmit on different channels in each preset.

Any number of pedals (out of the 10 available in each Bank) can be set up to send CC only. I only suggested 5 because that is what the UNO Chip does.
If all you need is 10 Presets, you could set up each Bank to call a Preset (or multiple presets at once in different VSTs), and have 9 buttons to use as Stomps.
You could, for instance, have 10 different amp presets (one in each of 10 Banks), with each bank having it's own custom Pedal Board with 9 effects.

As for LoopMIDI, I looked it up. It's not what you want. What that person was thinking of is MIDI Translation SW. BOME is the premier example, but MIDIOX can do translation (PC only) and there's probably other translation utilities for MAC.

With your extensive knowledge of MIDI, I wouldn't think about it, as it's not at all necessary for what you want to do.
Of course, you COULD take the time to learn a whole bunch of MIDI stuff, but wouldn't you rather play guitar?

Tell you what. Somewhere in the Cloud I have a sample FCB sysex that I made up for somebody else in your situation. After dinner I'll see if I can find it, and send it out to you to try. Sound good?

Re: FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

Tim Brown
 

I don't think at this point, I'll come close to 50 presets, so that's probably not an issue for me.  But just to be clear, what is the difference between "bank" and "preset"?  I feel like I may be using the wrong word.
If I'm reading your last post correctly, I can setup pedals 1-5 (which is about all I'd need for what I'm trying to do) as CC's only.  Each pedal would send a different CC# to switch things on and off in the VST's via MIDI Learn in the DAW.  And I could save that setup as one....preset or bank?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:26 PM EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Yeah, with the stock chip you only get the one toggling CC per preset. To do what you want requires the UNO Chip.

When you use a LEARN function, it records the first message received. The FCB send order is PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,CC1,CC2,PC5, NOTE.

You can set as many pedals as you like to send CCs (any values in any Bank). For instance, set pedals 1-5 as CC, pedals 6-10 as Preset (Program Change).
However, you'd have to set up each Bank that way, and you'd be limited (in that scenario) to 50 Presets (10 Banks x 5).

The UNO chip keeps the CC pedals the same and simply changes the Preset values per Bank. That gives you access to 19 Banks of 5 Presets (95 Presets), with your five Stomps on each Bank (Stomp CCs are always to same, you can't use different values in each Bank).

Compromises either way.

If you're into programming, the UNO2 Chip allows you to set up the FCB pretty much any way you want. It's pretty simple BASIC style code, but it is programming.

Re: FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

Tim Brown
 

So is there any merit to what they told me to try with LoopMIDIor something similar?  Can I send whatever MIDI the FCB sends by default thru another program before it gets to Reaper and have it come out the other end as CC that the VSTs will understand?  Or am I stuck having to buy the UnO chip?


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:14 PM EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:
Yeah, with the stock chip you only get the one toggling CC per preset. To do what you want requires the UNO Chip.
When you use a LEARN function, it records the first message received. The FCB send order is PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,CC1,CC2,PC5, NOTE.

Re: FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

EJ SHELDON
 
Edited

Yeah, with the stock chip you only get the one toggling CC per preset. To do what you want requires the UNO Chip.

When you use a LEARN function, it records the first message received. The FCB send order is PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,CC1,CC2,PC5, NOTE.

You can set as many pedals as you like to send CCs (any values in any Bank). For instance, set pedals 1-5 as CC, pedals 6-10 as Preset (Program Change).
However, you'd have to set up each Bank that way, and you'd be limited (in that scenario) to 50 Presets (10 Banks x 5).

The UNO chip keeps the CC pedals the same and simply changes the Preset values per Bank. That gives you access to 19 Banks of 5 Presets (95 Presets), with your five Stomps on each Bank (Stomp CCs are always to same, you can't use different values in each Bank).

Compromises either way.

If you're into programming, the UNO2 Chip allows you to set up the FCB pretty much any way you want. It's pretty simple BASIC style code, but it is programming.

Re: FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

Tim Brown
 

Yup, that's the one.
So, I think I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the CC's work. Can I only set the two of them once per preset or can I set them per pedal? Like have pedal 1 send CC1 values 0 and 127, then pedal 2 send CC2 values 0 and 127, and so on as needed.
I thought I tried it the way you suggested, but now I'm thinking I may have also left the PC 1 box checked, as well. So that wouldn't have worked anyway, right?
(Why do I always get helpful answers to problems while I'm at work and my gear is at home? LOL)
I'll give it another look when I get home. Thanks for the tips!

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:11 PM EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:
When you say Old Editor I assume you mean the venerable Ed Dixon Editor as in the attached screenshot.
Your LEARN function is seeing a Program Change because Program Change is ON and sends BEFORE the CC.
Pictured is Button 1 set with Program Change Off, CC#111 set to Toggle. When Button 1 is first pressed it sends CC#111 with a Value of 0, which is usually OFF.
The next time you press the Button it sends the same CC#111 with a Value of 127, which is usually ON.
If your VST uses 0 ON 127 OFF (Amplitube is like that), or you want the default (first press) to be ON, just reverse the values.

Re: FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

EJ SHELDON
 

When you say Old Editor I assume you mean the venerable Ed Dixon Editor as in the attached screenshot.
Your LEARN function is seeing a Program Change because Program Change is ON and sends BEFORE the CC.
Pictured is Button 1 set with Program Change Off, CC#111 set to Toggle. When Button 1 is first pressed it sends CC#111 with a Value of 0, which is usually OFF.
The next time you press the Button it sends the same CC#111 with a Value of 127, which is usually ON.
If your VST uses 0 ON 127 OFF (Amplitube is like that), or you want the default (first press) to be ON, just reverse the values.

glow-in-the-dark stickers #for_sale

ossandust
 

While cleaning up my stock I found a few blank sheets of glow-in-the-dark stickers for the FCB1010. A few years ago we used to sell pre-printed ones along with the UnO4Kemper firmware. These sheets are blank, you can write on them with black alcohol marker. The UnO4Kemper picture is just to show what they look like installed on the FCB1010. You can get such a blank sheet (21 stickers) for 25€, shipping included - but I only ship within Europe. Interested? Send an email to "info at fcb1010 dot eu".



     

FCB1010 + TSE X50 + Reaper + LoopMIDI?

Tim Brown
 

Hi everyone,
I'm having a heck of a time with my 1010.  I have the free version of the TSE X50 (VST amp head) and I'm trying to get my FCB (no UnO) to change the channel switch (clean to dirty) on the head.  I use Reaper and it sees the FCB just fine and is receiving MIDI just fine.  But when I go to MIDI learn the parameter in Reaper it captures a PC command instead of CC and so it won't actually switch the channel.  I have an older free FCB editor and it says I can setup 2 CC's, but I'm not sure how to actually get the floorboard to send that message.  Plus, I have other FX VST's that I'd like to switch on and off stompbox style as well.
I asked on one of the Reaper Facebook groups and someone recommended that I use LoopMIDI to change all the PC's to CC's, but I can't figure out how to do that.  Has anyone else used LoopMIDI (or something else?) to do this?  I can't find any useful tutorials that talk about it.

Thanks for any help,
Tim B.

Re: Tiny box "virtual switch"

ossandust
 

Indeed, if the software allows to do it that's the way to go - maybe other Ableton users can chime in with suggestions. 
UnO2 firmware does indeed allow stomp box mode on each individual footswitch or in each individual bank, as opposed to the 5 global stomps in UnO firmware.  

Re: Tiny box "virtual switch"

James Wilkens
 

Thanks all, for the info. I’ve got an original Uno chip. I’m not sure I want to spend the money for Uno2 just for that one feature. By any chance does Uno 2 allow stomp box mode on a per pedal basis rather than the entire row?

 

I’ll keep looking into doing it with Live.

 

From: <main@fcb1010.groups.io> on behalf of "David Grosz via groups.io" <davidgrosz2205@...>
Reply-To: <main@fcb1010.groups.io>
Date: Monday, June 29, 2020 at 12:52 PM
To: <main@fcb1010.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [fcb1010] Tiny box "virtual switch"

 

This functionality is available in the UnO2 chip

I just received the new chip and the toe switch works as advertised. I use the FCB to control an Axe-Fx and the Wah block is controlled
several ways first you assign an expression pedal and then some type of switching to turn the block on/off.  Fractal has what they call
auto-engage but it is iffy to me and I think it loses the 0-127 range along with lack of predictability in when it engages or disengages , but
the FCB stock or other chips can not do this unless you have the UnO2 chip or the TinyBox.  Main difference is TinyBox has more memory
and it has wifi to be able to use a tablet as a video monitor

UnO2 First impressions

David Grosz
 

UnO2 has met and exceeded my needs and some I didn't know I needed! Ever sense getting an Axe-Fx I had a couple midi things that bugged me first was why can I not be able to access all 768 presets on the fly? The MFC-101 midi controller well it does but only half. I asked Ossan Dust if the UnO2 could somehow do this and the by morning he sent me the answer and now I can. The second issue is using the expression pedals on the FCB for say the wah block, pedals work good but no switch to turn wah on/off and not a big deal the Axe-Fx has what they call auto-engage and it works kind of but not near as well as the UnO2 and the tip switch! Unlike the auto-engage feature of the Axe-Fx the tip switch is very predictable and maintains its 0-127 range. Ossan Dust good things are coming this is very nice and great job!

Re: Tiny box "virtual switch"

David Grosz
 

This functionality is available in the UnO2 chip

I just received the new chip and the toe switch works as advertised. I use the FCB to control an Axe-Fx and the Wah block is controlled
several ways first you assign an expression pedal and then some type of switching to turn the block on/off.  Fractal has what they call
auto-engage but it is iffy to me and I think it loses the 0-127 range along with lack of predictability in when it engages or disengages , but
the FCB stock or other chips can not do this unless you have the UnO2 chip or the TinyBox.  Main difference is TinyBox has more memory
and it has wifi to be able to use a tablet as a video monitor

Re: Tiny box "virtual switch"

ossandust
 

This TinyBox feature is also available in the UnO2 firmware. But maybe it's possible to do it in Ableton Live indeed, that I don't know. 

Tiny box "virtual switch"

James Wilkens
 

I noticed this feature in the Tiny Box video which allows you to trigger a foot switch with the expression pedal. 
I'm wondering if there is a way to do this without the Tiny Box. I would like to be able to turn on a wah effect by pushing the expression pedal all the way down like on a real wah.
I am using MIDI CC to trigger effects in Ableton Live. I'm thinking maybe an Ableton Live cue could toggle the effect on and off when it sees a specific CC value of 127 while also controlling the wah "pedal" on the same CC#.
Any way to do this? 

Jim W