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Re: Replace Uno with original eprom, question

pierrebruynooghe
 

Thanks ossandust !


Re: Replace Uno with original eprom, question

ossandust
 

No problem switching back to the original EPROM. When upgrading to UnO the initialization is required because UnO firmware uses storage space which isn't used by Behringer firmware, therefore this memory may be in an indefinite state. That's not the case the other way around. 
After having used UnO with stompbox mode it's a good idea to first disable stompbox mode and store a "regular mode" setup in the FCB1010 prior to switching back. Stompbox mode stores its presets in different places (19 banks of 5) than regular mode (10 banks of 10), so preset order would be mixed when switching back directly from UnO stompbox mode to Behringer firmware.
 


Replace Uno with original eprom, question

pierrebruynooghe
 

Hi. Can we put back the original FCB1010 eprom without encountering any problem after having used the Uno eprom in the FCB ? This question comes to me because we have to initialize the Extended memory of FCB (in pressing keys 9 & 1 while switching it when an eprom Uno v1.0.4 is installed on the board. Best regards. Pierre


Re: FCB and Blackstar id260 tvp

b.straub@...
 

I think one can buy a licence for the control center V2 on the Website of ossandust:

 

FCB/UnO Control Center for the Behringer FCB1010  or https://www.fcb1010.uno/

 

 

 

Von: uno@fcb1010.groups.io <uno@fcb1010.groups.io> Im Auftrag von GeeNelly via groups.io
Gesendet: Montag, 7. November 2022 20:43
An: uno@fcb1010.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [fcb1010_uno] FCB and Blackstar id260 tvp

 

Didn’t realize I wasn’t buying it from the Creator…

 

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:32:48 AM EST, EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:

 

 

Ossandust is not normally rude.
Depending upon what exactly you said, the bottom line is that you chose to buy the chip from an eBay pirate to save a few bucks over buying it from the creator, so you can't expect him to offer support.
You might start by actually buying the chip (and the editor) from the creator.


Re: FCB and Blackstar id260 tvp

GeeNelly
 

Didn’t realize I wasn’t buying it from the Creator…

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:32:48 AM EST, EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:


Ossandust is not normally rude.
Depending upon what exactly you said, the bottom line is that you chose to buy the chip from an eBay pirate to save a few bucks over buying it from the creator, so you can't expect him to offer support.
You might start by actually buying the chip (and the editor) from the creator.


Re: FCB and Blackstar id260 tvp

GeeNelly
 

The editor on my old laptop was not your control center app, it was a different. I did offer  to pay for a license and still would. I sent you the pic thinking I bought the chip from you back in 2014. How the hell would I know if I purchased an offering on eBay? You seemed to accuse me of piracy of sorts and I take offense. Then I sent you a link to eBay showing you an UnO Chip that someone is selling and asked if it was yours??? U later replied a blank email to me.

Look, I’m just a musician trying to get my rig going…

What happened to good old days of ppl helping ppl??

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 12:13:14 PM EST, ossandust <ossan.dust@...> wrote:


I do plead guilty. I have responded to this gentleman in a way which could be perceived "rude" if you try hard. This was not because of what the gentleman claims here ("I asked him if I could pay for the control center") but because (apart from sending a picture of a pirated chip) he pretended he had ControlCenter installed on an old PC and tried to get it installed on a new PC, making me search for a non-existing license. Unless I totally misunderstood him. His exact words were :
"I am trying to reprogram it but don’t have the laptop I originally had the editor on. How can I download it? My info is below. Gary Nelson (Old Info) [snap : address] [snap: email address] or [snap :another email address] or [snap: yet another email address] I’d really like to get the program again"

I do have to add I honestly was not quite as rude as this gentleman who found it necessary to call me a "fucktard" (whatever that may be :-) because I choose not to reply to his further emails  


Re: FCB and Blackstar id260 tvp

ossandust
 

I do plead guilty. I have responded to this gentleman in a way which could be perceived "rude" if you try hard. This was not because of what the gentleman claims here ("I asked him if I could pay for the control center") but because (apart from sending a picture of a pirated chip) he pretended he had ControlCenter installed on an old PC and tried to get it installed on a new PC, making me search for a non-existing license. Unless I totally misunderstood him. His exact words were :
"I am trying to reprogram it but don’t have the laptop I originally had the editor on. How can I download it? My info is below. Gary Nelson (Old Info) [snap : address] [snap: email address] or [snap :another email address] or [snap: yet another email address] I’d really like to get the program again"

I do have to add I honestly was not quite as rude as this gentleman who found it necessary to call me a "fucktard" (whatever that may be :-) because I choose not to reply to his further emails  


Re: FCB and Blackstar id260 tvp

EJ SHELDON
 

Ossandust is not normally rude.
Depending upon what exactly you said, the bottom line is that you chose to buy the chip from an eBay pirate to save a few bucks over buying it from the creator, so you can't expect him to offer support.
You might start by actually buying the chip (and the editor) from the creator.


Re: FCB and Blackstar id260 tvp

GeeNelly
 

So, I bought this board back in 2014 on EBay. I then purchased UnO chip also from EBay. I’ve recently went back to trying to get the two to work together. I emailed the gentleman who “makes” UnO chip explained when and where I bought it and asked him if I could pay him for the control center. He was quite rude and it never went farther. I honestly thought I purchased it from him.

I’m just a musician trying to get this thing working right. On the Blackstar board years ago a gentleman was quite helpful.

I live the amp and the board is supposedly all powerful but I’m frustrated.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:22:10 PM EST, EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:


You just described why you need to get UNO_ControlCenter, and why I for one, won't even TRY to help you unless you do.


Re: FCB and Blackstar id260 tvp

EJ SHELDON
 

You just described why you need to get UNO_ControlCenter, and why I for one, won't even TRY to help you unless you do.


FCB and Blackstar id260 tvp

GeeNelly
 

So, I am trying to get my fcb1010 with UnO mod to worok properly. I don't have a gui, so I've been trying to program it using the board itself. I have some questions...

If I have UnO installed, am I correct that even though stompbox mode is selected, that when I press on switches 6-10 (which ive configured for the stompboxes) that they too will send Program change, and other messages just as if it was a standard patch in the preset?

I am looking to have 5 favorite patches and the ability to turn off the effects for each patch. The frustration I encountered is that I'll get the patch to where I "think" is correct, when I step on a stompbox, it seems that it sometimes turns the switches on, even though I (think) ive programmed them off. in the initial preset selection. Ive torn whats left of my hair out in the meantime!
ex

I select preset 5 in patch 00 I have the switches turned off, etc but when I perform a "stomp" for an effect, sometimes the switches toggle. back on.
I also had/have some trouble with the expression pedals.


Re: Use FCB1010 UnO2 with Cubase & plugins

EJ SHELDON
 

Thanks for the link. Pretty much verified what I thought. Interesting that the last post to that thread was more than 3 years ago.
I don't get the claim about CCs not working in VST3.
I'm using a Windows computer and both Reaper and Ableton support mapping CCs to VST3 plugin parameters from within the plugin's UI.
Neither works with PCs.
IDK if Steinberg modified the VST3 specification or everyone figured out a work-around, I just wish SOMEONE - the DAW Hosts or the VST3 plugin makers would fix the PC thing. I'm NOT going to buy a MAC just to get that one function!


Re: Use FCB1010 UnO2 with Cubase & plugins

@Hskr8
 

Thanks for the clarification EJ.

I found a good (but long) discussion of the midi vst3 vs vst2 issues if anyone would like to read through it.

https://forums.steinberg.net/t/vst3-and-midi-cc-pitfall/201879/42

From what I gather, the extended midi support in vst2 was sort of a hack/mistake that people came to rely on, and it was removed in vst3.

It sounds like Steinberg prefers having the host handle it directly via imidimapping (there was a problem with Reaper in Jan '21 doing this)

But it looks like the benefit of the vst3 standard is so that the Midi 2.0 implementation will not cause any need to rebuild vst3 plugins.

So this change in approach seems to be the cause of a lot of friction with end users who have gotten caught up in just trying to get things to work how they want.


Re: Use FCB1010 UnO2 with Cubase & plugins

EJ SHELDON
 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 10:59 PM, @Hskr8 wrote:
Anyway, the point I wanted to make is midi works fine with VST3 & Cubase 12.
To clarify, the only aspect of MIDI control which DOES NOT work with VST3 is Program Changes. That is the ONLY reason to continue to use VST2.
Plugins which DO NOT employ MIDI Program Changes are fine, even preferred for use with VST3.

I do not know if the native Steinberg plugins employ MIDI Program Changes and if they do, if they work with VST3 and MIDI Program Change Messages. It would seem to me that, since VST3 is Steinberg and the native plugins in Cubase are also Steinberg, that MIDI Program Change Messages WOULD work with VST3 and THOSE plugins. I haven't gotten around to testing that theory since I only purchased Steinberg Elements because it's a DAW that I have no experience with (I have many others) and to help the OP. My brief exposure to Cubase 12 has thus far given me no reason why I should switch from Reaper, which works GREAT for MY purposes.


Re: Use FCB1010 UnO2 with Cubase & plugins

EJ SHELDON
 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 04:28 PM, Valentin Olle wrote:
Guess an upgrade to Cubase version 12 might be problematic for me with the FCB1010 UnO2:
Steinberg ends VST2 plugin support with Version 12.
I don't have Cubase 11. I have Cubase 12. The only difference between the two versions (Elements and Pro) is the additional features (like more tracks, more native VSTs etc. You will not have any problem in Cubase 12 Pro IF you use VST2. 

When Steinberg says that they are ending support for VST2, that just means that there will be no further development and no new SDKs. VST2 will continue to work for the foreseeable future. The code I provided for UNO2 will continue to work. MIDI is MIDI. 

The above is not speculation. I've already done it. The following IS speculation.

I believe that part of the reason for the newer VST3 design has to do with the upcoming release of MIDI 2.0. Everything developed using MIDI 1.0 will continue to work (backwards compatibility is designed into it), but the new 2.0 standard adds many features such as two-way communication between MIDI devices WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO IMPLEMENT THEM. This likely means more complexity in the way that VST plugins handle operations such as Program Changes. VST3 likely has those complexities factored into the design, but Steinberg has no way of knowing exactly HOW future plugin developers will implement them and so has left implementing Program Changes up to the developers.

Once again, to clarify and avoid confusion, there is no reason NOT to upgrade to Cubase Pro 12 IF you need the new features. VST2 will continue to work as proven by me, and the UNO2 code will continue to work, also proven by me.
 


Re: Use FCB1010 UnO2 with Cubase & plugins

@Hskr8
 

I'm using Cubase 12 pro and the VST3 of Amplitube 5.

In the attached screenshot, you can see the midi channel assignment.  I'm using CC16 to control the volume in this instance among general patch changes.

Anyway, the point I wanted to make is midi works fine with VST3 & Cubase 12.

In this case, I am running the floor controller on channel 10


Re: Use FCB1010 UnO2 with Cubase & plugins

Valentin Olle
 

Had the same problem with AT5 VST2: I could solve it via the plugin manager in Cubase - had to un-blacklist it.


Back in the days I got a Cubase education version, it became my DAW. Upgraded 2 times, now I am with Version 11.0.41.
Works for me, it runs very stable. I really like the Cubase MixConsole.

I will work with this setup in the studio in the upcoming time. I am curious how it will workout. Want to connect some analog & digital (guitar) workflows with the FCB1010 in my studio.
I am not in a live campaign phase atm..
Thinking of Ableton, if time comes (or maybe Gig Performer, or Cantabile - not sure).

Guess an upgrade to Cubase version 12 might be problematic for me with the FCB1010 UnO2:
Steinberg ends VST2 plugin support with Version 12.


Am Do., 13. Okt. 2022 um 18:10 Uhr schrieb EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...>:

I never asked WHY Valentin chose Cubase, I assumed that it had to do with other features or having already invested in it, and that using it with multiple guitar amp sims was just an added benefit. Yes, for straight up performance there are better choices - Gig Performer and Cantabile for sure.

However, with the exception of the annoyance of having to manually reverse the ON/OFF messages in AT5 which can be done with a simple filter in Cantabile (never used Rig Performer, assume it has filter/transform abilities also), the UNO2 code I attached was actually designed to control all three of the sims he mentioned, and others, and HW too!. Cubase will likely never be as good for live performance as purpose-made programs like Gig Performer or Cantabile, or even Ableton, but it'll work fine for home fun and the addition of a Control Surface - Korg nanoKontrol is cheap and functional - would make it that much easier to work with.


Re: Use FCB1010 UnO2 with Cubase & plugins

EJ SHELDON
 

I never asked WHY Valentin chose Cubase, I assumed that it had to do with other features or having already invested in it, and that using it with multiple guitar amp sims was just an added benefit. Yes, for straight up performance there are better choices - Gig Performer and Cantabile for sure.

However, with the exception of the annoyance of having to manually reverse the ON/OFF messages in AT5 which can be done with a simple filter in Cantabile (never used Rig Performer, assume it has filter/transform abilities also), the UNO2 code I attached was actually designed to control all three of the sims he mentioned, and others, and HW too!. Cubase will likely never be as good for live performance as purpose-made programs like Gig Performer or Cantabile, or even Ableton, but it'll work fine for home fun and the addition of a Control Surface - Korg nanoKontrol is cheap and functional - would make it that much easier to work with.


Re: Use FCB1010 UnO2 with Cubase & plugins

Jack Fenton
 

"Cubase is a recording daw"

You might want to look into Gig Performer for live performance.


Re: Use FCB1010 UnO2 with Cubase & plugins

@Hskr8
 

I see you created the separate midi channel for the guitar, which does work with Amplitube 5, but in your attachment, you didn't highlight any of these midi channels, so we can't see what your routing assignments are.

It is possible that you're trying to do too much with this by trying to control multiple VST instruments.  It may still be possible by setting things up on different channels, but at this point, I would remind you that Cubase is a recording daw, and not really made for live performance.. (my apologies if this is not your intent)

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