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Re: Expression pedals programming

Mike Watkinson
 

Thanks both - really appreciate the advice. I have checked with MIDI Monitor - no dice. So therefore the FCB - recalled seeing something somewhere about initialising so followed the steps here:
https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/the-expression-pedals-on-my-behringer-fcb1010-midi-foot-controller-dont-work-properly-in-programming-mode/
Which has worked a treat - all good now. I bet this is in the manual (Uno2 and/or FCB1010 manuals) or on the website somewhere - classic RTFM issue ;)


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Re: Expression pedals programming

EJ SHELDON
 

Since two of us have tried your code and it works for us, the next step is elimination. Eliminate a problem with Mainstage by using the MidiMonitor provided by ossandust. If it doesn't work there, you might have a problem with your interface or with the FCB itself.


Re: Uno2 Chip second hand #UnO2

Mike Watkinson
 

Not sure where you are but if it’s the UK then there was no additional duty payable when my Uno2 arrived the other day. Not sure how this happened but I’m not asking ;) Unlike the EurekaPROM chip I got from the states which generated more import duty payable by me than the cost of the chip and delivery 🤯

On 25 Feb 2021, at 23:15, gabrielaltwargpeel@... wrote:

Hey, was looking to upgrade from the UnO to the UnO2, but I'm short on money, especially with the delivery price for those outside the EU (thanks Brexit). I've checked ebay and there are only UnO 1s for sale. Any help would be appreciated for my broke behind.


Re: Expression pedals programming

Mike Watkinson
 

Straight to MainStage - which has a simple MIDI monitor of its own which shows no activity from the pedals (but switches doing their thing fine). Happy to give MIDI monitor a go in case it can shed any further light (although I’m not sure what it could be as the requirement is pretty straightforward!)



On 26 Feb 2021, at 00:38, EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:

I put those into a template file I use for testing things, worked fine.
Are you using MIDI Monitor to check first if the pedals are sending, or going straight to Mainstage?


Re: Uno2 Chip second hand #UnO2

timddeb@...
 

Brexit could work to your advantage. Sell your board on the musictribe site/reverb/facebook marketplace/preloved/ebay/amazon  at a sensible price, (i.e. not auction)  and pick up a S/H  stock 1010 for a lot less.


Re: Expression pedals programming

Jack Fenton
 

I didn't have any problem with the expression pedals and your code looks good to me.


Re: Uno2 Chip second hand #UnO2

Jack Fenton
 

Yeah, I doubt if you will find it on eBay. Way to many Uno1 pirates out there selling chips.  Even if you do find a chip, you will still need to go to their website for the license key.


Uno2 Chip second hand #UnO2

gabrielaltwargpeel@...
 

Hey, was looking to upgrade from the UnO to the UnO2, but I'm short on money, especially with the delivery price for those outside the EU (thanks Brexit). I've checked ebay and there are only UnO 1s for sale. Any help would be appreciated for my broke behind.


Re: Expression pedals programming

EJ SHELDON
 

I put those into a template file I use for testing things, worked fine.
Are you using MIDI Monitor to check first if the pedals are sending, or going straight to Mainstage?


Expression pedals programming

Mike Watkinson
 

Might just be me (it usually is) but the manual seems strangely light on how to programme the two expression pedals. Or maybe there's really not much to it. Anyways, I have added a few lines of code in line with what is in the manual, but no MIDI is being sent from the pedals so I must be missing something pretty obvious to the initiated! The switches all work fine by the way. Here's what I have for the pedals:

SWEEPS =
{
   lower bank volume
   upper bank volume
}
 
CHANNEL MainStage = 1
 
INIT_FCB =
{
   Pedal 1 = lower bank volume
   Pedal 2 = upper bank volume 
}
 
SWEEP lower bank volume  = SendMidi MainStage CtrlChange 7 0-127
SWEEP upper bank volume  = SendMidi MainStage CtrlChange 11 0-127

Anything missing or that I need to do to get the pedals sending MIDI?

Thanks in advance


Re: EJ's UNO2 files

jeroen@djangofoto.nl
 

Hi EJ,

Thanks alot for time and effort. 
These functions you mention would be enough for me. BTW, I find Rig 6 better sounding then 5.
I know the community is screaming for better MIDI functions especcially concerning Bank Changes.
They are hoping for an update.

Anyways, I’ll do the UNO2 upgrade and keep you informed.

Thanks again!
Regards,
Jeroen

On 23 Feb 2021, at 20:03, EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Jeroen!

I don't have GR6, they're not getting any more of my money until they have enough new amps (the old one's mostly suck IMO), and if they've diminished their once best in class MIDI implementation, I may never upgrade. I'm currently struggling in GR5 to get the Looper working. No problem in Helix and THU. I'm waiting to hear from NI Support on why the Looper doesn't properly respond to MIDI.

OK, I DL'd the GR6 manual. It looks like they've changed how you view things, but the added ability to save an effect's MIDI settings as GLOBAL for that effect actually seems like an improvement. The main change seems to be that the CONTROLLERS screen is gone, so you need to right-click on each parameter, then use LEARN, choose whether you want to save the settings as GLOBAL for the effect, then save the preset. Assuming that this means you can re-use CCs, it's an improvement.

The configuration I've posted to EJ's UNO2 allows for 9 controllers in the DIRECT bank. Everything should work as in GR5, and using UNO2 vs UNO, you have 9 controllers vs 5 in UNO, and access to the full 128 presets in each bank. It's unclear from the GR5/GR6 manuals if there's a way to do Bank Changes via MIDI. I couldn't get that to work in GR5, but I really should try again.

As to the Loop Machine, it looks like they removed it in GR6. Maybe because it didn't work properly and they didn't think enough people used it?
Who knows. I'll ask support if they ever get back to me.




Re: Using BandHelper to control banks/patches on the FCB

ossandust
 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 07:35 PM, Jack Fenton wrote:
Can you remotely control the relays too?
aha, you're right, that was added later on -  attached the updated document


Re: Using BandHelper to control banks/patches on the FCB

Jack Fenton
 

Interesting. Can you remotely control the relays too? I didn't see it on the PDF sheet but maybe I missed it.

Yes, it looks like TinyBox would indeed be another solution if you need full LED control. Thanks for letting us know!


Re: Using BandHelper to control banks/patches on the FCB

ossandust
 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 04:04 PM, Jack Fenton wrote:
I know of no other chip that allows for this level of LED and 7 segment display control
We do have such chip, which allows to control each LED and each segment of the 7-segment display - the chip is part of the TinyBox package, but every now and then we sell it separately when asked for, indeed mostly for people tinkering with own software to create a custom FCB1010 controlled rig. 


Re: EJ's UNO2 files

EJ SHELDON
 
Edited

Hi Jeroen!

I don't have GR6, they're not getting any more of my money until they have enough new amps (the old one's mostly suck IMO), and if they've diminished their once best in class MIDI implementation, I may never upgrade. I'm currently struggling in GR5 to get the Looper working. No problem in Helix and THU. I'm waiting to hear from NI Support on why the Looper doesn't properly respond to MIDI.

OK, I DL'd the GR6 manual. It looks like they've changed how you view things, but the added ability to save an effect's MIDI settings as GLOBAL for that effect actually seems like an improvement. The main change seems to be that the CONTROLLERS screen is gone, so you need to right-click on each parameter, then use LEARN, choose whether you want to save the settings as GLOBAL for the effect, then save the preset. Assuming that this means you can re-use CCs, it's an improvement.

The configuration I've posted to EJ's UNO2 allows for 9 controllers in the DIRECT bank. Everything should work as in GR5, and using UNO2 vs UNO, you have 9 controllers vs 5 in UNO, and access to the full 128 presets in each bank. It's unclear from the GR5/GR6 manuals if there's a way to do Bank Changes via MIDI. I couldn't get that to work in GR5, but I really should try again.

As to the Loop Machine, it looks like they removed it in GR6. Maybe because it didn't work properly and they didn't think enough people used it?
Who knows. I'll ask support if they ever get back to me.


Re: Using BandHelper to control banks/patches on the FCB

Jack Fenton
 

If you want complete control of FCB1010 LED's, then I'm afraid you would have to take all of the "smarts" out of the FCB1010 but getting the EurakaProm and then setting in up in IO mode. You would need something like Bome MIDI Translator Pro to do all of the interpretations and control the LEDs. I know of no other chip that allows for this level of LED and 7 segment display control.

This guy shows how it is done but it requires a fair amount of programming.

https://youtu.be/yHpMK8XX2xU


Re: Using BandHelper to control banks/patches on the FCB

sirnothing23
 

I get it.  I'm in a Pink Floyd tribute and I literally can't remember the setup for each song without programming it in advance.  
I'm going to grab the UNO2 soon to check it out, but it sounds like there's no way to remotely control the FCB layout.  Ok.  

Still (forgive this excursion into a myriad of logistics) I wonder if there's a way to take advantage of the power of Tinybox to simulate different layouts, e.g. with conditional logic - when in state A, button 1 controls device X ...   in state B, button 1 controls device Y.   Still, you'd need to directly change the the FCB to coincide with a particular layout, so not sure that buys you anything, and I don't know if that's even possible.  

If you have a fairly small set of standard pedal layouts, then you can program them as banks on the FCB that are mapped to sets of songs, artists, or whatever configuration.  Either way, it sounds like you can't get there automatically.  Or if the PEDALS stay the same (distortion on/off, delay on/off, modulation on/off) and the only thing that changes is the settings of the device parameters (distortion type/gain/level, delay type/time, modulation type/level, etc.) then you don't need to change the FCB at all.  You can send ALL of that directly to your midi controllable pedals from Bandhelper.   Right?  

Might need to specify a channel for each device, but Bandhelper can do all of that.  When you select the next song, Bandhelper can send all of the initial device setup states, but you're stuck with whatever pedal state LED of the FCB, so you might need to end and start with all pedals in off state, then tap dance for each song to select which pedals are on.  Or click up and down bank to make sure the bank is initialized (all pedals off).  That's a little unfortunate.  I'm spoiled.  Gordius can do ALL of that - extremely powerful and flexible.  Can turn on/off lights to the footswitches with or without sending midi.  I can have chains of FCBs - the flexibility and power is overwhelming, but the programming and extendability of Tinybox is quite elegant.

So, i would first ask, does your pedal layout need to change for the FCB, or just the pedal settings?  I'm guessing you might need to move around and switch in and out the effects footswitches on the upper row?

If Bandhelper is JUST selecting a patch and initial state, and you're using the same basic layout on the FCB pedal board, then you can send all of that initial setup directly from Bandhelper.  Should work.  But you're stuck with whatever FCB bank until you manually switch it.  Again, if you only use 2 or 3 configurations of pedal layout, then you just need to remember, or pop up a note on the iPad in the Bandhelper song layout to remind you to go to bank X for this song or set.  

BUT I think you can scroll your setlist with the FCB too - sending midi command you've set up for next song, or even song 31.  That's still potentially 2 clicks (next song + bank change, if needed).   

I think memory of the FCB might be a limiting factor, but Tinybox might be everything you need because it overcomes the limitations of the FCB memory.
I think it depends on how different your layout needs to be.   

Can you get by with one overall layout?

Dan


Re: EJ's UNO2 files

ossandust
 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 01:39 PM, jeroen@... wrote:
since my Midi-interface (E-MU Xmidi 2x2, powered by Firewire, on Mac Pro Mojave) is giving these timeout’s on the testpage: https://www.fcb1010.eu/commcheck_uno2.html 
Just 2 side remarks, mentioned on that test page too but not obvious enough (it's still on my todo list to update that page) : 
1. if you get a timeout on the web page, download the offline test application instead - it gives a better idea whether the problem is with the interface or with the browser 
2. double check that the MIDI merge option is enabled in your current FCB1010 setup


Re: Using BandHelper to control banks/patches on the FCB (Feature Request)

ossandust
 

It seems easier to unplug the MIDI cable than to go to the editor and write a command to disable MIDI Thru. But I'm probably missing something here? (in a TinyBox setup this is part of the more extensive MIDI filtering functionality which is not available in UnO2)

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