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chrisw_63
 

On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 02:33 PM, Nick Wall wrote:
So typical… always after spending $$$
While the TinyBox is a bit more versatile, you don't lose much by just getting the UnO2 firmware - at almost 1/10th the price.  If you'll always have a computer connected, and time isn't a factor, you can have several setups ready to load into the FCB1010 as needed, which reduces the need for the TinyBox (it's biggest advantage is larger memory).  On stage between two songs is not the time to be loading a new setup, so if that's a possibility with UnO2, TinyBox is your answer.  Even between sets, loading new settings can be dangerous.  As everyone who's ever performed knows, every time you change something it opens the door to Murphy Shtuff™.  And nobody wants that.
Timothy Payne
 

Hey Nick,

I know what you mean. I'm sure not all is lost. It's just all of these eproms are designed for guitar effects. The Beatbuddy is a beast of its own. I've had one for several years. One of the main things with the EruekaProm I see is you can change a pedal to be momentary so you can send one message when you press it and another when you release it. This is useful for doing a transition so when you press the pedal it starts the transition and when you release it the transition will finish and go to the next part. So really you just have to tap the pedal to do a transition instead of hitting the pedal twice. The songs are in folders and those are selected using MSB/LSB. 128 (0-127) folders times 128 and 128 (0-127) songs in each folder. So Folder 1 - Song 1 is CC0-0 CC32-0 PC 0-0 and so on. With the TinyBox or the Uno2 chip you can program it to change patches on your guitar rig when you select a song for your BeatBuddy. I haven't done this since I only used the TinyBox for my Beatbuddy. I have the old school pedal board for my guitar. The programming for the Uno2 chip is the same, or very close, as the TinyBox. It is a LOT of typing and copy and paste. Do you have the BeatBuddy Midi settings manual? The TinyBox Setlist sold me. I used to move songs around in the BeatBuddy manager for our gigs and that is, as you know, very frustrating and slow. Anyway, good luck with everything!


On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 7:33 AM Nick Wall <screamingvocalist@...> wrote:
Hi Tim,
So typical… always after spending $$$
on other items LOL.
Those come from UK and before vat import tax & shipping with cable and PS its $200
I just invested that much on FCb1010 and the Eureka.
Thank You
On Oct 1, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Timothy Payne <mrtepayne@...> wrote:

TinyBox
chrisw_63
 

On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 03:23 PM, EJ SHELDON wrote:
PC1-PC2-PC3-PC4-CC1-CC2-PC5-NOTE
Thanks, EJ!  Gotta store this away somewhere.
EJ SHELDON
 

Order of stock FCB messages sent:

PC1-PC2-PC3-PC4-CC1-CC2-PC5-NOTE

To change Banks, for instance, Bank 3 Program/Preset 075:

CC1=CC#032 Value 002 followed by PC3=PC#075

Using the UNO_ControlCenter Editor it would look like this:



When I suggested re-installing the stock chip, I was not being flip. The Stock FCB is a very capable device. I suggested the UNO2 chip because you want to control more than one device, and UNO2 gives you much more control. It is, however, not programmed using a GUI as pictured above. It may be more than you care to tackle, but then again, for all I know you're a Quantum physicist with years of programming under your belt!
Nick Wall
 

Hi Tim,
So typical… always after spending $$$
on other items LOL.
Those come from UK and before vat import tax & shipping with cable and PS its $200
I just invested that much on FCb1010 and the Eureka.
Thank You

On Oct 1, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Timothy Payne <mrtepayne@...> wrote:

TinyBox
Timothy Payne
 

I purchased the FCB1010 for my Beatbuddy. I went with the TinyBox for its flexibility instead of the EurekaProm. Specifically for setting up setlists. The TinyBox uses programming like the Uno2 chip.


On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 4:15 AM Nick Wall <screamingvocalist@...> wrote:
Hey Jack 
Thanks so much for reaching out so quickly. Speaking of “All is not lost”
With the state of affairs in this world, you’ve help convince me that random acts of kindness still DO exist!

My next question to the group is how to program the FCB1010 for my Beat Buddy,
To have as many switches function as virtual drums. IE: Bass, Snare,High-Hat, Toms, Ride and Crash Cymbals.

This is what I really bought the Behringer for. Everything else down the line will be a bonus.

Thank You kindly Jack,
Nick



On Oct 1, 2022, at 1:47 AM, Jack Fenton via groups.io <jack_fenton=ymail.com@groups.io> wrote:

All is not lost. You can put your EurekaProm on PP mode and send certain MIDI messages using the right adapter cable. I'm not sure exactly what you want to do but the pedal will accept PC messages and CC80-87.

Here is a link to the manual that shows what MIDI messages it can handle. Look on page 14.
Nick Wall
 

Hi Chris, thank you for all the details. It’s very rare I find anyone these days who‘s willing to spend time writing lots of detailed correspondence like myself. 
I go out of my way on many subjects to help & be of service and rarely do I see it being paid forward. So in the interim
 Thank You.
Heck Dude, I don’t even jnow what “ CC “
Stands for 😆 My whole life is on hold behind all things music & pedalboard related. 

Rewiring for 4th time wanting multiple pedals in stereo and MIDI, 3 devices via a single expression pedal controlled by a 
BOSS ES-8 

and NOW rather than loud Marshall in apartment I cannot use I just Just got a BOSS IR200

So yeah… I wish someone was local
and/or be interested in a barter situation.
Since becoming disabled( I was a career Stagehand!) I now am a Luthier and make jaw-dropping 1 of a kind carved Electric Guitars. I’ll send photos if You’re interested.
Thanks,
Nick


On Oct 1, 2022, at 6:26 AM, chrisw_63 <chrisw_63@...> wrote:



First, I really have to commend you on your efforts.  A lot of people in your circumstances would give up.  Not only didn't you give up, but you asked for help.  And included all the information needed in an easily readable post!  That puts you ahead of most new posters here!  :-)

From the MIDI manual:

2. Additional control with external MIDI fooswitch. Some users want a
footswitch for every function (drum fill, transition, outro, tap tempo,
etc.). So we have created a special ‘CC’ MIDI command for practically
every function the BeatBuddy has, so you can control the BeatBuddy
from another device.

That link is a PDF, and it has all the info you should need.  The Beat Buddy has CC messages for everything and the kitchen sink!  There's even CC#'s to adjust the Mixer and Headphone volume!  Programming the FCB1010 is pretty straightforward.  One thing to watch out for, if you use the FCB1010 to select the Folder/Song - The FCB sends it's 5 PC messages and two CC messages in a certain order, and the Beat Buddy might need the Bank Select sent before the Song Select.  If so, you'll need to choose the right PC message (of the 5 the FCB sends) to get them sent in the right order.  (I KNOW we recently discussed this, but I can't find that message!!!  Could someone post the FCB's send order again, please?)  Or just program the songs into the Beat Buddy so you only need one folder for a set of songs, and have one Preset send the Bank Select, and a different Preset for each song.

Another thing is zero-based numbering.  Some people get it right away, some just can't wrap their head around it.  The Beat Buddy orders it's folders/songs starting with zero.  In that PDF, you'll see for the first song you send a '0', the second song a '1', etc.  Just something to keep in mind.

You should try to find a good MIDI primer.  Sadly, most of the videos on YouTube that SAY they're a tutorial are either overly long-winded, device specific, or both.  If you take some time searching there are some good ones out there, though.
chrisw_63
 

First, I really have to commend you on your efforts.  A lot of people in your circumstances would give up.  Not only didn't you give up, but you asked for help.  And included all the information needed in an easily readable post!  That puts you ahead of most new posters here!  :-)

From the MIDI manual:

2. Additional control with external MIDI fooswitch. Some users want a
footswitch for every function (drum fill, transition, outro, tap tempo,
etc.). So we have created a special ‘CC’ MIDI command for practically
every function the BeatBuddy has, so you can control the BeatBuddy
from another device.

That link is a PDF, and it has all the info you should need.  The Beat Buddy has CC messages for everything and the kitchen sink!  There's even CC#'s to adjust the Mixer and Headphone volume!  Programming the FCB1010 is pretty straightforward.  One thing to watch out for, if you use the FCB1010 to select the Folder/Song - The FCB sends it's 5 PC messages and two CC messages in a certain order, and the Beat Buddy might need the Bank Select sent before the Song Select.  If so, you'll need to choose the right PC message (of the 5 the FCB sends) to get them sent in the right order.  (I KNOW we recently discussed this, but I can't find that message!!!  Could someone post the FCB's send order again, please?)  Or just program the songs into the Beat Buddy so you only need one folder for a set of songs, and have one Preset send the Bank Select, and a different Preset for each song.

Another thing is zero-based numbering.  Some people get it right away, some just can't wrap their head around it.  The Beat Buddy orders it's folders/songs starting with zero.  In that PDF, you'll see for the first song you send a '0', the second song a '1', etc.  Just something to keep in mind.

You should try to find a good MIDI primer.  Sadly, most of the videos on YouTube that SAY they're a tutorial are either overly long-winded, device specific, or both.  If you take some time searching there are some good ones out there, though.
Nick Wall
 

Hey Jack 
Thanks so much for reaching out so quickly. Speaking of “All is not lost”
With the state of affairs in this world, you’ve help convince me that random acts of kindness still DO exist!

My next question to the group is how to program the FCB1010 for my Beat Buddy,
To have as many switches function as virtual drums. IE: Bass, Snare,High-Hat, Toms, Ride and Crash Cymbals.

This is what I really bought the Behringer for. Everything else down the line will be a bonus.

Thank You kindly Jack,
Nick



On Oct 1, 2022, at 1:47 AM, Jack Fenton via groups.io <jack_fenton@...> wrote:

All is not lost. You can put your EurekaProm on PP mode and send certain MIDI messages using the right adapter cable. I'm not sure exactly what you want to do but the pedal will accept PC messages and CC80-87.

Here is a link to the manual that shows what MIDI messages it can handle. Look on page 14.
greg2074
 

I am not sure about the Boss RC-5, but you should be able to use it for guitar rig. Here is a link from the EureakaProm site using it in program mode.
https://www.eurekasound.com/eurekaprom/pp
They also have a forum where you can ask questions there. Here is the link.
https://groups.google.com/g/eurekasound_forum?pli=1
The EureakaProm should let you set up presets in different banks that you can switch to. It is my understanding that you can set it up for either the top row to control 5 stomps and the bottom to change presets or vice versa stomps on bottom and preset changes on top. From my understanding, you can only setup 5 stomps and those are the one that you can turn on and off in all your presets.
Just trying to help with what you already have! I don't have experience with either yet as I am still researching.

I am personally still researching and trying to figure out what will work best for my needs. That being said, the UNO2 chip is the most versatile from my understanding and will let you do just about anything. The only drawback is you must program it, like actual programming in a language, but it looks fairly easy.
Nick Wall
 

Hi EJ,
I purchased


EurekaPROM, EPROM upgrade for the Behringer FCB1010


From Eureka SOUND LLC 
thru their store on Amazon.


On Sep 30, 2022, at 9:03 PM, EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:

The Eurekaprom being device specific, why did you buy it if your devices are not supported???
Apart from throwing it away and re-installing the stock chip, I don't see that you have many other options.

There's a chip made specifically for the RC-505, but I don't know if it will work with the RC-5. @ossandust would be the one to ask.

The other option is to buy the UNO2 Chip, but ONLY AFTER reading the manuals for your devices and the UNO2 Manual to see if this is a project that you really want to pursue. It requires actual programming with code in a dedicated code editor (included with the chip).

Jack Fenton
 

All is not lost. You can put your EurekaProm on PP mode and send certain MIDI messages using the right adapter cable. I'm not sure exactly what you want to do but the pedal will accept PC messages and CC80-87.

Here is a link to the manual that shows what MIDI messages it can handle. Look on page 14.
EJ SHELDON
 

The Eurekaprom being device specific, why did you buy it if your devices are not supported???
Apart from throwing it away and re-installing the stock chip, I don't see that you have many other options.

There's a chip made specifically for the RC-505, but I don't know if it will work with the RC-5. @ossandust would be the one to ask.

The other option is to buy the UNO2 Chip, but ONLY AFTER reading the manuals for your devices and the UNO2 Manual to see if this is a project that you really want to pursue. It requires actual programming with code in a dedicated code editor (included with the chip).
Nick Wall
 

Hi,
I’m not sure if this is how or where to post questions. I’m NEW to MIDI. I’ve never used MIDI in any devices I’ve had over the years. I’m older in my 50’s and not hip slick or cool. Just humbly starting.
That said,
I bought a used Behringer FCB to control several scenarios. Later being in Logic Pro X. I’m hoping the board can have multiple program sets in memory.One being Guitar Rig within Logic… but that’s later if it’s actually possible to save settings for different pedals, daws etc.

What I’m attempting to do firstly
(My MAIN reason for getting the FCP1010)
Is to use to control my Boss RC-5 Looper Pedal with my Beat Buddy.
I successfully upgraded the PROM to Eureka 3.5 and sitting here NOW did initial power-up, restarted with switches 1 and 2 pressed. I followed the prompts.

Now, I’m clueless what to do being my specific devices are not listed.
Do I have to program anything to do with the Boss RC-5 first? Or The Beat Buddy?
Either way I am clueless and incredibly frustrated. I beat cancer and had 2 Brain Tumor Surgeries, so I’m pretty challenged as it is.
Please Help me.
Sincerely & Gratefully
Thank You kindly,
Nick Wall

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