Is there any way to designate hold functions? #UnO2


clippeh.kulinski@...
 

I tried searching through the threads and I note there's no mention of it in the manual but there might be a smart way to do this:

Is it possible to send MIDI note 1 on initial click, but MIDI note 2 on a click that was held for more than x seconds?
I'm trying to program my footpedal to have functions that are in some retail loopers ie. click button to record, click+hold same button to clear recording (when MIDI is linked to the ableton looper device)

Otherwise if ossan is around... is this planned for future releases and will I have to buy a new chip or can i just update the firmware somehow?...
Thanks
Oliver


EJ SHELDON
 

On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 11:16 PM, <clippeh.kulinski@...> wrote:
Is it possible to send MIDI note 1 on initial click, but MIDI note 2 on a click that was held for more than x seconds?
No.


clippeh.kulinski@...
 

Hi EJ,

Thanks for the reply.

I've realised that the button in the looper device on ableton actually has specific functions that change depending on how long you press the button for. That will suffice for now. but I'm having a big problem. Should i be using effects or triggers and should i be using CCs or NoteOns in my UnO2 control centre script...?

I have read the documentation but i ask because I'm getting a strange glitch. It might be similar to the one in this thread but I'm unsure:

https://fcb1010.groups.io/g/uno/topic/89707291#8824

I've noticed for some reason that after i record my first loop, it goes into overdub mode but then quickly exits and undo is pressed (without me pressing anything)
What is happening is probably that the function of the big multifunction button on looper is recognising my single button click as a long hold (and as a result undoing, as it says in the ableton information pane). I don't know how to prevent it from thinking that I'm holding it instead of clicking once.

I tried:

TRIGGER_CLICK which sends a midi NoteOn, and then a Midi NoteOff for TRIGGER_RELEASE
but it still does the same thing. Undo is triggered somehow???? Should NoteOff have a velocity of 0? or 127?

If anyone has run into this, please advise

Thanks,

Oliver


ossandust
 

On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 05:16 AM, <clippeh.kulinski@...> wrote:
if ossan is around... is this planned for future releases
No, this is one of the many features which was available in the GORDIUS controllers but removed for the TinyBox and UnO2 firmware

and will I have to buy a new chip
Any FCB1010 firmware update requires buying a new chip. That is one of the reasons why the more complex GORDIUS functionality has not been implemented in the UnO2 firmware 


EJ SHELDON
 

On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 12:32 AM, <clippeh.kulinski@...> wrote:
the big multifunction button on looper
???

I'm using v11 Lite. What version are you using, and which button are you referring to?


Tom G.
 

Hi,

The looper plugin's multifunction button works best with a simple midi note on 127 note off 0 command. From what I have experienced, I think programming midi notes in FCB1010 (Uno2 chip in my case) for midi mapping in LIve works best - even for functions like play/record, which you'd think would respond well to a latching controller.

Sorry I can't offer more help right now, but I've got grad school homework to finish. If possible, I will try to follow up again soon.

Tom

On Sep 4, 2022, at 12:13 PM, EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 12:32 AM, <clippeh.kulinski@...> wrote:
the big multifunction button on looper
???

I'm using v11 Lite. What version are you using, and which button are you referring to?


EJ SHELDON
 

I'm asking about the "big multifunction buttob" because there's no mention of anysuch thing in the manual.


Tom G.
 

Yes, I understand. You are asking about the big button on the left of the Looper effect’s GUI. Here’s a screenshot with the description of the multi-purpose button. If you need more info, Ableton’s reference manual covers the Looper effect in section 24.27 of its reference manual. Here’s the URL: Ableton.com/en/manual/live-audio-effect-reference/

Once there, scroll down the page to view documentation for all of lives effects.

- Tom



On Sep 4, 2022, at 12:40 PM, EJ SHELDON <bluesrock13@...> wrote:

I'm asking about the "big multifunction buttob" because there's no mention of anysuch thing in the manual.


EJ SHELDON
 

Sorry, can't help with that, it's not included in the Lite edition. Good Luck!


Tom G.
 

Hi Oliver,

I use the Ableton Looper in Live 11. You need to program midi note messages on the FCB 1010 with a note on velocity of 127 and a  note off of 0. A single footswitch on the 1010 can reliably control the multi-function button of the looper. 

Best,

Tom

On Sep 4, 2022, at 12:32 AM, clippeh.kulinski@... wrote:

Hi EJ,

Thanks for the reply.

I've realised that the button in the looper device on ableton actually has specific functions that change depending on how long you press the button for. That will suffice for now. but I'm having a big problem. Should i be using effects or triggers and should i be using CCs or NoteOns in my UnO2 control centre script...?

I have read the documentation but i ask because I'm getting a strange glitch. It might be similar to the one in this thread but I'm unsure:

https://fcb1010.groups.io/g/uno/topic/89707291#8824

I've noticed for some reason that after i record my first loop, it goes into overdub mode but then quickly exits and undo is pressed (without me pressing anything)
What is happening is probably that the function of the big multifunction button on looper is recognising my single button click as a long hold (and as a result undoing, as it says in the ableton information pane). I don't know how to prevent it from thinking that I'm holding it instead of clicking once.

I tried:

TRIGGER_CLICK which sends a midi NoteOn, and then a Midi NoteOff for TRIGGER_RELEASE
but it still does the same thing. Undo is triggered somehow???? Should NoteOff have a velocity of 0? or 127?

If anyone has run into this, please advise

Thanks,

Oliver